New Forest finds and 2 Boletes for ID

[PeteS]

Hi,

Had a good day in the New Forest on Friday. Here is a list of things that I found and could identify:

* Cantharellus cibarius

* Boletus rubellus
* Boletus aestivalis - a total of 7 in two locations. Have not seen this since 2006
* Boletus aereus
* Boletus badius
* Boletus chrysenteron
* Boletus luridus

* Leccinum crocipodium
* Leccinum scabrum

* Russula violeipes
* Russula virescens

* Pleurotus ostreatus

* Agaricus campestris - Dozens. Haven't seen this many since 2006

* Volvariella bombycina - see previous post

What I could not ID (and there were many) included these two:

1. Found on its own in beech woodland. Cap - grey/light brown
plus a hint of red and white especially near the margins. Stem - orange to red covered in a red network. Flesh yellow but turning immediate blue on cutting apart from the extreme base which unchanged. Pores - red, yellow/orange near margin, bruising black/blue. Tubes yellow.









2. Found in a group in woodland with beech a little oak. Someone had been there before and kicked them all over Cap - yellow very easily bruising dark blue. Stem - yellow with a faint yellow network but base red and bruising blue. Pores - yellow, immediately blue when touched. Tubes yellow. Flesh yellow but immediately blue when cut.

[NickCantle]

The first one is Boletus satanus surely. Buff cap, red network on the stipe, yellow tubes and a pale blue discolouring upon cutting/bruising. That's quite a find if it is!

The second looks like an atypical B. luridus to me, but others may have more constructive suggestions. I'm basing mine on a 'that looks like an odd B. luridus' system

Nick work Pete!

Nick

EDIT; My suggestion of B. luridus may be complete toss as I've just noticed the absence of a stipe network.

[PeteS]

I have never seen Boletus satanus and in my mind the cap and flesh should be more white than this example. I suppose you could call the flesh cream in colour. Also I have heard that B. satanus smells horrible - like rotting flesh. This smelt sort of spicy. If it is Boletus satanus I am really pleased although I would not have picked the thing if I knew what it was.

The second confused me because of the way the cap bruised dark blue as soon as it was touch/handled - you only needed a soft touch of the finger to bruise the cap. My guess, and it is a guess, is that it could be Bolertus torosus. I was annoyed that the others had been kicked over and damaged. This could have been done by ponies but I suspect human hands.

Both of these were found in my favorite wood. Somewhere where I have been almost every week for the past 2.5 years, however, I have never seen anything like them before.

[ManwithNoname]

Originally Posted by PeteS

I have never seen Boletus satanus and in my mind the cap and flesh should be more white than this example. I suppose you could call the flesh cream in colour. Also I have heard that B. satanus smells horrible - like rotting flesh. This smelt sort of spicy.

I've not seen Boletus satanas either but I'd tend to agree with your assessment from what I've read. I'd be more inclined to think along the lines of Boletus legaliae.

Originally Posted by PeteS

The second confused me because of the way the cap bruised dark blue as soon as it was touch/handled - you only needed a soft touch of the finger to bruise the cap. My guess, and it is a guess, is that it could be Bolertus torosus.

Would Boletus xanthocyaneus be a possibility with the pores being yellow at first, then turning orange, and the dark blue staining?

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by ManwithNoname

I've not seen Boletus satanas either but I'd tend to agree with your assessment from what I've read. I'd be more inclined to think along the lines of Boletus legaliae.

So would I. Boletus legaliae quickly turns intensely blue on cutting where as Boletus satanas has a much slower reaction.

But a nice find!

John

[IanS]

This is good news for me as I am off to the New Forest soon. Hopefully I will find some good fungi this year too!

[NickCantle]

Doh

[flaxton]

I would agree with legaliae for the first but I think the second may be rhodopurpureus.

Mal

[ManwithNoname]

Originally Posted by flaxton

I think the second may be rhodopurpureus.

Mal

You may be right, Mal, but what led me away from Boletus rhodopurpureus was the colour of the pores. B. rhodopurpureus should have orange pores turning red, whereas the specimen photographed seems to have yellow pores turning orange. If you keyed this out with BFF1 you wouldn't get to B. rhodopurpureus on that basis.

[mollisia]

Hello Pete,

what magnificant findings!!

The first one you found is the False Satans Bolet, Boletus rubrosanguineus or Boletus legaliae. I can not judge this from the foto. The species has formely been known as Boletus splendidus, which is a nomen ambiguum (MARTIN, the author, left four collections, which represent three different taxa and none of them is a type collection). Another name is Boletus satanoides, which is a synonym of B. legaliae. B. legaliae and B. rubrosanguineus are very similar, the first one being slightly more orange in general colouration and growing in lowland under broadleaf trees only, the latter growing in collin to mountainous areas and under conifers as well as under broadleaf trees.

The second finding is even more sensational, because this is Boletus torosus for sure! There are three taxa in the "purpureus-group" on species level which have a cap becoming dark blue when touched. This is Boletus rhodopurpureus, Boletus luteocupreus and Boletus torosus. The first two are very similar and may be can not be separated on species level. Both have red pores from the beginning. Boletus torosus is clearly different from those two by having yellow pores until maturity, then they may become (orange-)red too. Also the flesh of torosus becomes dark blue after cutting, but turns reddish after some hours. This is not observed in the rhodopurpureus-complex. I have not much own experience with this flesh colouration, so I'm curiouse what you have observed.

The species in the purpureus-group have been a mess for long time, but have been sorted out since the 90th, especially by Guy REDEUILH. I was lucky enough to see all species of the red pored bolets yet, so I'm convinced that they can be sorted out even by foto in most cases. But in literature there are many misidentified pictures, e.g. in GALLI and also in FoS.
Most important in this group is first to have a look whether the cap is blueing on touch or not. If not, then you are in the group of rubrosanguineus-rhodoxanthus-legaliae, if yes, then you are in rhodoxanthus-luteocupreus-torosus.

best regards,
Andreas