Clitocybe maybe

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well after look at kiltoncomp thread with the clitocybe, it reminded me of the fungi I found on Dolebury warren Somerset 18/11/2008, don't think it's a nebularis think the habitat is wrong, the ones I found were on open grassland on a very sunny south facing hill with woodland about 150 meters down the hill, was looking at geotropa as a maybe but not to sure, did think it might be rivulosa but I think there far to big for them

[KeenTeen17]

the shape of the cap and the spotty bits on top point to Lactarius in my opinion but theyre quite difficult to ID without taste of the milk.

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Originally Posted by KeenTeen17

the shape of the cap and the spotty bits on top point to Lactarius in my opinion but theyre quite difficult to ID without taste of the milk.

I did look at some of the Lactarius, but none of the these fungi I found had any milk drops on the gills

[KeenTeen17]

I found some mushrooms that didn't have any milk either I think it all depends on weather, age and the natural variation of the fungus. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable would be able to give you a species as well as just "Lactarius"

[NickCantle]

Definitely Clitocybe gibba or Clitocybe geotropa

I say so because;

They are correct in colour, gill form, substrate and structure. The only opposing factor (which doesn't really oppose, just gives us more to speculate with) is the fact that there are liquid spots in the cap. I certainly associate these spots with Lactarius, but in this case they are not.

The clincher for me on this one is the 'floury' appearance of the caps- that combined with the umbilicate cap with minute umbo.

EDIT; Not to mention the drastically eccentric stipe!

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Originally Posted by NickCantle

Definitely Clitocybe gibba or Clitocybe geotropa

I say so because;

They are correct in colour, gill form, substrate and structure. The only opposing factor (which doesn't really oppose, just gives us more to speculate with) is the fact that there are liquid spots in the cap. I certainly associate these spots with Lactarius, but in this case they are not.

The clincher for me on this one is the 'floury' appearance of the caps- that combined with the umbilicate cap with minute umbo.

EDIT; Not to mention the drastically eccentric stipe!

I did look at the gibba but there size made me go for the geotropa

[mollisia]

Hallo,

I'm not sure of these fungi. But - sorry Nick - I'm sure it's neither gibba nor geotropa.
I think it's either a Clitocybe from the rivulosa-complex. The aeriferous cap surface looks very likely for that. But the gills are quite strongly decurrent, which is not the case in those clitcybes. The other possibility is a Lepista, but I don't know which it should be. The colours don't suggest Lepista panaeolus, which is more grey. The pictures have a strong touch versus red and yellow, they were obviousely taken in late afternoon in autumn when the sun is already quite sinking. I took two of the fotos and made an automatical colour rectification. This is the result:



the second one I manually reduced red an yellow in favour of green, but even that didn't bring a grey fungus:



So, personally I would favour the Clitocybe rivulosa complex, not a Lepista. If one would have a spore print it would perhaps be easier to say ....

best regards,
Andreas

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Originally Posted by mollisia

Hallo,

I'm not sure of these fungi. But - sorry Nick - I'm sure it's neither gibba nor geotropa.
I think it's either a Clitocybe from the rivulosa-complex. The aeriferous cap surface looks very likely for that. But the gills are quite strongly decurrent, which is not the case in those clitcybes. The other possibility is a Lepista, but I don't know which it should be. The colours don't suggest Lepista panaeolus, which is more grey. The pictures have a strong touch versus red and yellow, they were obviousely taken in late afternoon in autumn when the sun is already quite sinking. I took two of the fotos and made an automatical colour rectification. This is the result:



the second one I manually reduced red an yellow in favour of green, but even that didn't bring a grey fungus:



So, personally I would favour the Clitocybe rivulosa complex, not a Lepista. If one would have a spore print it would perhaps be easier to say ....

best regards,
Andreas

well the rivulose was the one that I was first thinking of but the size seemed to be wrong to me some of these must of been 10cm or more the size that fits the geotropa.
not got a spore print but i have seen them in the same area over the years so I will get on later in the year

[NickCantle]

It's the size that took me away from Rivulosa immediately What size were they Kiff?

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Originally Posted by NickCantle

It's the size that took me away from Rivulosa immediately What size were they Kiff?

I would say they ranged from 2 to 4 inches in old school so that's about 5 to 10+ cm ish