Eyelash Fungi ID

[RobSutton]

I thought I had found one of the Scutellinia species - and at first thought it was Scutellinia scutellata on the basis of colour and the long "eyelashes" (seen best in the damaged area on the left hand specimen. I thought I'd do the proper thing though and checked the spores and they seem too spherical and too ornamented for this species and the only other I could find was Scutellinia armatospora. Fungi of Switzerland has this as a species of sandy soil; it was on wet leaf litter rich soil on limestone under beech at Malham Tarn. Does anyone know much about this group? Is this likely?





Thanks in advance.

[KeenTeen17]

you are right with scuttelinia sp. but thats all I can say I'm afraid. thats beyond my mycological level

[Chris Yeates]

hi

I'm particularly interested in this as it's from Yorkshire! (I'm the Yorkshire recorder).

I would say this looks very like Scutellinia asperior; Nordic Macromycetes Vol. 1 treats S. asperior (sensu Dennis) and S. armatospora as synonyms of S. trechispora: the GB checklist treats all these as separate species. Clearly there is a confusion here. . .

I think that your fungus shows relatively slender spines and I would tentatively name it Scutellinia asperior for the time being; as I understand it trechispora has lower 'warts'. Please hang on to the specimen and dry it. I shall attempt to delve deeper into the literature and see what I can come up with. If you would like me to look at the specimen pm me.

I'll try to get back on this one

best wishes

Chris

[CapAndBracket]

I had come to the same conclusion of Scutellinia asperior, from the spore
shape and spines rather than warts on them, though i note Ellis+Ellis does
not include all (apparently)26 scutellinia species currently described.

Cheers J.P.

[PMG]

I think you might find that its Melastiza chateri which has minute downy hairs at the margins? I thought I had uploaded a pic of it from Middleton Pools a month or two back but can't find it now - if I do I will upload.....



Pauline

PS - No I take it back - it isn't - I've just checked the spores and chateri has rugby-shaped spores not round - sorry Wrong!!!! In fact I've got B & K out too and the ornamented spores do look right for armatospora - nice one Rob!!

[CapAndBracket]

Ellis+Ellis have the spores of Melastiza chateri as somewhat oval and
reticulate (covered in a net like pattern) which don't seem to fit the
excellent micrograph, but i've been wrong before.

Sorry, posted while you were editing.

Cheers J.P.

[PMG]

Originally Posted by CapAndBracket

Ellis+Ellis have the spores of Melastiza chateri as somewhat oval and
reticulate (covered in a net like pattern) which don't seem to fit the
excellent micrograph, but i've been wrong before.

Sorry, posted while you were editing.

Cheers J.P.

Suddenly realised I was off up the wrong tree altogether and thought I had better hold my hand up - quick!!

Pauline

[Lancashire Lad]

As a complete beginner regarding fungi, could I ask what might be a naive question?

I found some Scutellinia a few weeks ago and posted the pic on this forum, and Rob's photo looks more or less identical. However, Rob's photo shows a specimen with "eyelashes" around the damaged area.

Is it normal for "eyelashes" to appear on such an inner margin? - I thought they only occured around the outer circumference.

Sorry if this is a silly question but I am genuinely curious.

Regards
Mike.

[PMG]

Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

As a complete beginner regarding fungi, could I ask what might be a naive question?

I found some Scutellinia a few weeks ago and posted the pic on this forum, and Rob's photo looks more or less identical. However, Rob's photo shows a specimen with "eyelashes" around the damaged area.

Is it normal for "eyelashes" to appear on such an inner margin? - I thought they only occured around the outer circumference.

Sorry if this is a silly question but I am genuinely curious.

Regards
Mike.

I think the damaged bit is laid on top of the rest of it which is why the lashes look like they are 'inside' - as far as I know the lashes are only around the rims? (Mind you I've been wrong before - not ten mins ago for a start)

Pauline

[RobSutton]

I think the hairs are only around the outside - I didn't actually notice them until I got back with the photograph and put it on the computer.

If I'd appreciated what it was I'd have marked the spot so I could go back and get a photo of it when dry with the eyelashes revealed in their full glory - it's the first I've ever found. Unfortunately I think the chances of me finding it again without a marker are zero. Hopefully with the expertise available here I'll be able to get a name for it.