Lactarius - Russula (from last year) & Blewit

[KeenTeen17]

I found this lactarius last year and clocked it as saffron milk cap. Is that right?
I have been back to the location this year and haven't found it.



At Lyme Park this year there was this russula. Is it a washed out R. sardonia?
or fragilis?


Another one - is this wood blewit? it was growing under birch


or could it be charcoal burner?

[NickCantle]

Doesn't look like Lactarius to me mate, more like Lepista flaccida.

The Russula- good luck

You know full well that you'll get no decent response to the last item due to your lack of gill shot, which would answer your question 100% in this case (well, up to genus anyways). I know it was taken before you knew about how important gill shots were, so i'll cut you some slack.

I've never seen L. nuda grow with Betula, but that's not saying it doesn't. Don't think it does though.

[PMG]

R, sardonia is only found under pines if this helps? I;ve a feeling but can't prove from photo that it might be a washed out Blackish-purp?


Sorry Nick but I'm going to start a controvesy here yes I do think the first one is saffron - its too dull and leathery looking on the cap to be a Lepista, plus rim is too thick and there's the question of the big orange pits on the stem?!

And probably your last one is wood blewit - charcoal burner would have a white stem and this obviously is concolourous with the cap and I can't see a cortina - so I'm about as sure as I could be from a photo that this is a blewit!

Ok? Let the arguments begin

Pauline

[KeenTeen17]

thanks. I just photoed anything last year - not thinking how important other features of the mushroom are.

[NickCantle]

Originally Posted by PMG

Sorry Nick but I'm going to start a controvesy here yes I do think the first one is saffron - its too dull and leathery looking on the cap to be a Lepista, plus rim is too thick and there's the question of the big orange pits on the stem?!

Ok? Let the arguments begin

Pauline

Not at all Pauline, it's nice to have a bit of controversy now and then!

The reason of my initial suggestion was due to a couple of factors. The first being the gills. The gills of L. deliciosus are as orange as the cap, and in this case, the gills are white which would match up for Lepista flaccida. The second factor, which is the defining one for me, is the fact that you can see that the stem has been eaten away, quite heavily. If this specimen was indeed L. deliciosus or its less esteemed cousin L. deterrimus, the flesh would be orange and tinged with the milk, which it isn't. The milk of both of the aforementioned milk caps begins a quite intense shade of orange and both discolour with time (L. deliciosus turns a dark pistachio green, and L. deterrimus turns wine red.)

That's my theory anyway.

Nick

[flaxton]

Originally Posted by NickCantle

Not at all Pauline, it's nice to have a bit of controversy now and then!

The reason of my initial suggestion was due to a couple of factors. The first being the gills. The gills of L. deliciosus are as orange as the cap, and in this case, the gills are white which would match up for Lepista flaccida. The second factor, which is the defining one for me, is the fact that you can see that the stem has been eaten away, quite heavily. If this specimen was indeed L. deliciosus or its less esteemed cousin L. deterrimus, the flesh would be orange and tinged with the milk, which it isn't. The milk of both of the aforementioned milk caps begins a quite intense shade of orange and both discolour with time (L. deliciosus turns a dark pistachio green, and L. deterrimus turns wine red.)

That's my theory anyway.



Nick

No wonder John Wright said he was talking to mycologists. I would agree with you Nick and say definitely not Lactarius and go for Lepista flaccida.

Mal

[PMG]

Originally Posted by NickCantle

Not at all Pauline, it's nice to have a bit of controversy now and then!

The reason of my initial suggestion was due to a couple of factors. The first being the gills. The gills of L. deliciosus are as orange as the cap, and in this case, the gills are white which would match up for Lepista flaccida. The second factor, which is the defining one for me, is the fact that you can see that the stem has been eaten away, quite heavily. If this specimen was indeed L. deliciosus or its less esteemed cousin L. deterrimus, the flesh would be orange and tinged with the milk, which it isn't. The milk of both of the aforementioned milk caps begins a quite intense shade of orange and both discolour with time (L. deliciosus turns a dark pistachio green, and L. deterrimus turns wine red.)

That's my theory anyway.

Nick

Yes I take your point about lack of carroty looking milk and they have been eaten rather than pitted - sceuse my poor eyesight - age and all that! So yes Lepista then tho I've never seen it looks so dry and unappealing!

Pauline