collbia spc ????

[kiltoncomp]

i found these in clumber park in pine woods ,and initially had them id as collybia sp
but according to books by jordan and phillips these both grow in broadleaved woodlands ,so if thats the case what are these ??
both have a creamy white spore print and the caps were approx 15mm across
the stems were approx 50mm tall on the first one and approx 40mm tall on the second one

this one i had as collybia confluens ??





and this one as either collybia erythropus or c.acervata ?? growing on an old pine cone





both growing within 2 ft of each other,

Brian.

[KeenTeen17]

I think one could be collybia butyracea var. asema (I'm probably wrong!)

the second one could be psathyrella pseudogracilis

[NickCantle]

The first is Collybia confluens as you say Brian.

The trouble with the second one is that Collybia acervata grows with pine, perhaps explaining the substrate, but Phillips states that Collybia erythropus only grows in Broadleaved Woodlands. Aesthetically i'd go for Collybia erythropus, but the substrate suggests the other option. Odd.

[fairplay]

psathyrella pseudogracilis ? PSATHYRELLA PSEUDOGRACILIS ???

PSATHYRELLA PSEUDOGRACILIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quick, pass me my smelling salts, I feel faint !!


Sorry K.T. - I couldn't resist

Neil.

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by KeenTeen17

I think one could be collybia butyracea var. asema (I'm probably wrong!)

the second one could be psathyrella pseudogracilis

i'm not sure about it being c.butyracea , as that is usually darker brown in the cap ?? (i think)

the psathyrella pseudogracillis has (according to michael jordans book) brown gills and a brown spore print, while both of my unknowns have a white spore print , which would rule out psathyrella ,

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by NickCantle

The first is Collybia confluens as you say Brian.

The trouble with the second one is that Collybia acervata grows with pine, perhaps explaining the substrate, but Phillips states that Collybia erythropus only grows in Broadleaved Woodlands. Aesthetically i'd go for Collybia erythropus, but the substrate suggests the other option. Odd.

Hi Nick,

ill go with c.confluens for the first one then !

the second one ,??????
the photos in phillips book of c.erythropus is the best match, but as you say , is listed as being found in broadleaved woods and not with pines , while c.acervata grows with pines , ( and is growing on a pinecone !!) would seem the more likely i think,
so i think you are probably right on both accounts !!

i must be getting better at this , thats two i've almost got right !!

[fairplay]

I think the fungi growing on the pine cone looking very much like Collybia erythropus is quite possibly Marasmius scorodonius.

You have photographed them in perfect condition, whereas in Phillips, they appear to have been handled somewhat or may be older specimens.

A very good illustration is in Fungi of Switzerland Vol.3 No292 or else see what Google throws up.

Naturally a microscope is needed to confirm this ID which you may not have, but as M. scorodonius is VERY RARE and therefore on the RED DATA list as endangered, I think you must go back to the site if you can, to obtain whole samples, 3+ if you can, handle as little as possible, MAKE NOTES of what they were growing on, the size of cap and stem, any noticeable smell (this is very important as it is supposed to smell of garlic when fresh) and then take home to dry in an airing cupboard for two days.

When completely dry, place in a sandwich bag and seal and send off to:
Dr Peter Roberts, Mycology Dept, Kew.

Neil. P.S. Don't forget a 6 figure grid ref'

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by fairplay

I think the fungi growing on the pine cone looking very much like Collybia erythropus is quite possibly Marasmius scorodonius.

You have photographed them in perfect condition, whereas in Phillips, they appear to have been handled somewhat or may be older specimens.

A very good illustration is in Fungi of Switzerland Vol.3 No292 or else see what Google throws up.

Naturally a microscope is needed to confirm this ID which you may not have, but as M. scorodonius is VERY RARE and therefore on the RED DATA list as endangered, I think you must go back to the site if you can, to obtain whole samples, 3+ if you can, handle as little as possible, MAKE NOTES of what they were growing on, the size of cap and stem, any noticeable smell (this is very important as it is supposed to smell of garlic when fresh) and then take home to dry in an airing cupboard for two days.

When completely dry, place in a sandwich bag and seal and send off to:
Dr Peter Roberts, Mycology Dept, Kew.

Neil. P.S. Don't forget a 6 figure grid ref'

Hi Neil,

I’ve been back this morning to try and find the fungi, but in spite of two hours searching they seem to have disappeared altogether!


When i found them i did try and smell them but apart from faint mushroom/woods smell there was no hint of onion or garlic there at all,

Phillips book described the stem as being dark brown and yellowish white towards the apex, where these were a red/brown all the way to the cap although as you say these were in good condition and the ones in phillips could be old ones?

Unless some more of these appear in the same area i don’t think well ever know for certain

I’ve taken the plunge and ordered a microscope for future use , but i have no idea where to start with one, is there a good simple to understand guide on how to use one for fungi id ??
Do you take a sample from a spore print or an actual slice of the fungi?
and what do you use to compare your samples to ??

just when i thought i was getting better at this fungi thing

Brian

[fairplay]

I'm glad you are going to 'take the plunge'.

Brunell Microscopes are a good place to start, but remember you will also need reference books too, it ain't going to be cheep, think £1,000 total (with no limit !)

Hopefully someone else will type in a web site for further advice on using a scope for fungi.

Neil.

[flaxton]

Originally Posted by kiltoncomp

Hi Neil,

I’ve taken the plunge and ordered a microscope for future use

Now you are really in trouble

,

Originally Posted by kiltoncomp

but i have no idea where to start with one, is there a good simple to understand guide on how to use one for fungi id ??

The BMS used to do a series called "Guide for the Amature Mycologist" and one of those is on identification with a microscope. There website is down at the moment but you could try calling. There is also a great book called How to Identify Mushrooms to Genus published by Mad River Press again one of the series is by microscopic features.

Originally Posted by kiltoncomp

Do you take a sample from a spore print or an actual slice of the fungi?

You should always try to get a spore print this will then be mature spores but for the microscopic structure you would need the flesh of the fungi.

Originally Posted by kiltoncomp

and what do you use to compare your samples to ??Brian

You then go out and buy a full set of the Fungi of Switzerland and it will give you all the information you need. but it will cost you more than your brand new microscope

Mal