is this clitocybe rivulosa ??

[kiltoncomp]

Hi , can any one confirm this as being clitocybe rivulosa (typo on picture title)
found today in clumber in grass verge , has a strong aniseed smell to it ,
and around 20 to 30 growing together ,







thanks , Brian

[kiltoncomp]

oops ,i put the images in the Gallery instead of the archive, and they are still awaiting approval,
must try harder!

Brian.

[flaxton]

With a strong aniseed smell it is not rivulosa but could be fragrans.

Mal

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by flaxton

With a strong aniseed smell it is not rivulosa but could be fragrans.

Mal

Hello Mal,

c.fragrans would seem to be a better description,
when i found them yesterday it was bright sunshine and they were quite dry and appeared to be almost white,
i had another look early this morning and being wet from the dew , they had a more yellowish brown tint to the caps , and now look more like the images from books and online of c.fragrans,
it was the aniseed smell that made me ask if they were not c.rivulosa , as they are described as having a mealy smell,

thanks for your correction,
Brian.

[fairplay]

Hi Brian,

I'm a little concerned about this thread, as I do not know if you want an ID for records sake or consumption (As C.fragrans is said to be edible)

Your photo's seem typical C. dealbata/rivulosa - the fact that you say they smell strongly of aniseed says to me possibly C.fragrans was growing amongst this clump - furthermore I've never personally come across C. fragrans growing in ''a group of 20-30'' - but I have with the deadly C.dealbata/rivulosa.

You now say when you looked later when they were wet they have taken on a ''yellowish/brown tint'' to the caps, this may mean they are C.fragrans after all, but I still advise caution here so, DO NOT CONSUME.

Neil.

[diggleken]

Hi Brian,
Roger Phillips describes rivulosa as a sweet smell (as opposed to the clear aniseed of Fragrans), could that be what you sniffed?
I agree with Neil, Fragrans are normally single or small groups, not in my experience in troops, so this appears to be Rivulosa, with attendant health warnings!
Also, looking at the gills, they appear to be rather crowded - too many close together for Fragrans, which are (again, in my experience) quite distinct with fewer rays and not as multi branched as your pic shows, so rivulosa seems a good bet.
Hope this helps!
Ken

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by fairplay

Hi Brian,

I'm a little concerned about this thread, as I do not know if you want an ID for records sake or consumption (As C.fragrans is said to be edible)

Your photo's seem typical C. dealbata/rivulosa - the fact that you say they smell strongly of aniseed says to me possibly C.fragrans was growing amongst this clump - furthermore I've never personally come across C. fragrans growing in ''a group of 20-30'' - but I have with the deadly C.dealbata/rivulosa.

You now say when you looked later when they were wet they have taken on a ''yellowish/brown tint'' to the caps, this may mean they are C.fragrans after all, but I still advise caution here so, DO NOT CONSUME.

Neil.

Hi Neil,
dont worry , i am not planning on eating these !!
after this mornings look at them , i would say that the number would be nearer to 20 ,
i also brought a couple home to try
and get a spore print from them, (from the same group of 5 that i took the one that smelled of aniseed) and the aniseed smell seems to be a lot fainter and more mealy than it did yesterday,
do they lose the aniseed smell as the dry out ?? or is it rivulosa after all ?

(its a pity they will be gone by the time the for the Clumber foray as i am sure someone could have given them the right id on the spot)

Brian.

[kiltoncomp]

Originally Posted by diggleken

Hi Brian,
Roger Phillips describes rivulosa as a sweet smell (as opposed to the clear aniseed of Fragrans), could that be what you sniffed?
I agree with Neil, Fragrans are normally single or small groups, not in my experience in troops, so this appears to be Rivulosa, with attendant health warnings!
Also, looking at the gills, they appear to be rather crowded - too many close together for Fragrans, which are (again, in my experience) quite distinct with fewer rays and not as multi branched as your pic shows, so rivulosa seems a good bet.
Hope this helps!
Ken

Hi Ken,
as i have just replied to neil, two specimens i brought home now seem to be losing the aniseed smell and becoming more of a mealy smell as they are drying out, is this normal for fragrans or is it more likely to be rivulosa after all??

Brian.

[diggleken]

Hi Brian,
I remember bringing home fragrans last year and it retained its aniseed smell for a few days, and although it was getting weaker all the time, I dont remember it disappearing altogether.

Ken

[flaxton]

Hi everyone.
While I accept the photo does look more like dealbata but I based my suggestion on the remark by Brian "strong aniseed smell".

Breitenbach describes dealbata as faintly mushroomy Courtecuisse as almost mealy, Buczacki faintly mealy and even Jordan and Phillips with a split between dealbata/rivulosa as faintly mealy/faintly sweet. All of them describe fragrans as strongly aniseed to aniseed. In most cases the smell two days later is irrelevant it is the fresh smell that you should go on. Can anyone tell me of a book describing dealbata as having a "strong aniseed" smell
Breitenbach describes it as solitary or grouped

Without microscopic evidence to the contrary I would still say it is unlikely to be dealbata and could be fragrans.

Mal