I.D please

[wildherbalian85]

Need a fungi I.D please, i think it might an amanita but not sure.

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

Need a fungi I.D please, i think it might an amanita but not sure.

Hi,

That is Xerula radicata often in Beech woods, with a deep rooting stem, it is oten attached to buried pieces of wood.

Andy

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Andy Overall

Hi,

That is Xerula radicata often in Beech woods, with a deep rooting stem, it is oten attached to buried pieces of wood.

Andy

mmm but it had a a small vulva at the bottom of stem. Also there wasn't any beech in the area rather a mixture of pine, oak, birch, and sweet chesnut.

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

mmm but it had a a small vulva at the bottom of stem. Also there wasn't any beech in the area rather a mixture of pine, oak, birch, and sweet chesnut.

Are you sure? I can see what looks like a big Beech tree to left of the mushroom, as I look at it. From the side, your mushroom looks just like X. radicata but if it had a small volval bag then its Amanita, most likely of the sect. vaginatae A. fulva or A. vaginata.

Andy

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

mmm but it had a a small vulva at the bottom of stem. Also there wasn't any beech in the area rather a mixture of pine, oak, birch, and sweet chesnut.

I can also see dead Beech leaves around the mushroom !

Andy
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[CapAndBracket]

Originally Posted by Andy Overall

Are you sure? I can see what looks like a big Beech tree to left of the mushroom, as I look at it. From the side, your mushroom looks just like X. radicata but if it had a small volval bag then its Amanita, most likely of the sect. vaginatae A. fulva or A. vaginata.

Andy

I thought the same about the tree, the fungi stem dosn't look like aminita.
Maybe some photo's have become mixed up!

Cheers J.P.

[Leif]

I can't be sure from the photo, but I agree with the others. A slimy cap would clinch the deal IMO.

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Leif

I can't be sure from the photo, but I agree with the others. A slimy cap would clinch the deal IMO.

It was raining so yeah the cap was slightly slimey to touch though not realy of much help as many mushrooms are slimey when wet, including plenty of amanitas. The cap though was smooth - no wrinkles.

[wildherbalian85]

With regards to the tree - those woods are about 40% pine, 45% birch, 5% oak, 5% sweet chesnut, and 5% other.

So yes there might be the odd beech tree.

This phot was taken at the exact same section of the woods with the part i took the picture of the mushroom in the background.

[fairplay]

I've found Rooting Shank with Ash, but in the first 2 photos, all I can see is Beech, Beech & more Beech leaves, even the twigs are Beech, so I would say Andy is right - the tree to the left is Beech.

Even the last photo of the Gymnopilus appears to be a typical Beech woodland floor despite other species being present.

And even I agree with Andy in that it is or most likely to be Rooting Shank,
so......is there any chance of a shot of the 'volva' ?

Neil.

[mykonik]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

Need a fungi I.D please, i think it might an amanita but not sure.

This is typical Xerula radicata !

Nick

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by fairplay

I've found Rooting Shank with Ash, but in the first 2 photos, all I can see is Beech, Beech & more Beech leaves, even the twigs are Beech, so I would say Andy is right - the tree to the left is Beech.

Even the last photo of the Gymnopilus appears to be a typical Beech woodland floor despite other species being present.

And even I agree with Andy in that it is or most likely to be Rooting Shank,
so......is there any chance of a shot of the 'volva' ?

Neil.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Neil . I don't know what this was all about? somebody having a laugh I reckon .

Andy

[Leif]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

It was raining so yeah the cap was slightly slimey to touch though not realy of much help as many mushrooms are slimey when wet, including plenty of amanitas. The cap though was smooth - no wrinkles.

I have to disagree about Amanitas having slimy caps, though it certainly does not look like an Amanita, not even a Grisette.

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Leif

I have to disagree about Amanitas having slimy caps, though it certainly does not look like an Amanita, not even a Grisette.

Muscaria, Pantherina, Gemmata to name a few have slimey sticky caps when wet.

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by Leif

I have to disagree about Amanitas having slimy caps, though it certainly does not look like an Amanita, not even a Grisette.

Well, when you're told it has a small volval bag ? Slimy caps and Amanita, don't go together, apart from some Limacella which are closely related to Amanita. But then there are Beech trees in the pic and the mushroom is definitely not an Amanita but Xerula radicata as I first pointed out, where the volval bag came from who knows??

Andy

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by fairplay

Even the last photo of the Gymnopilus appears to be a typical Beech woodland floor despite other species being present.


Neil.

That 2nd picture has a total of 5 (Possible) beech trees the rest is oak. Oak is a deciduous tree - those leaves on the floor are predominantly oak. There is a lot silver birch in that woodland - which in Autumn sheds its leaves, and the leaves blow in the wind covering the forest floor.

looking north you can see the forest is split with most of the pine to the right - to the left is most birch although only oak is clearly visible as i wasn't originaly photographing the birch.



With regards to the shot with the volva do you not think i would not already have put it up??? I only took 3 pictures of that mushroom and one was proper blurry.

[Leif]

Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

Muscaria, Pantherina, Gemmata to name a few have slimey sticky caps when wet.

Not in my experience (though I do not know A. gemmata).

Most fungi can have some stickiness, or moistness when wet, but not that many are like Xerula radicata. As Andy O. points outs, Limacella is a good Amanita-like genus with slimey caps.

Now if you want slimey, and I admit to a fondness for slimey fungi, Hygrophorus eburneus and Cortinarius trivialis are absolute crackers.

[Leif]

Originally Posted by Andy Overall

Well, when you're told it has a small volval bag ?

Yes, that was certainly a red herring with a very fishy odour!

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Leif

Not in my experience (though I do not know A. gemmata).

Most fungi can have some stickiness, or moistness when wet, but not that many are like Xerula radicata. As Andy O. points outs, Limacella is a good Amanita-like genus with slimey caps.

Now if you want slimey, and I admit to a fondness for slimey fungi, Hygrophorus eburneus and Cortinarius trivialis are absolute crackers.

Well amanita muscaria has a viscid cap when wet - this is well documented and common knowlegde when identifying them. Maybe you are getting a little confused by what is ment by "wet"?? By refering to them being wet i am talking about when its raining or similiar situations - not when they are just fresh.

[fairplay]

Dear wildherbalian, (85) !

Apart from all this Amanita trivia, you stuck the photo up for an ID.

The unanimous conclusion was that it is Rooting Shank.

If you are a dissatisfied customer, please take it up with the manager - he's hiding behind that Beech tree.

Neil.

[NickCantle]

Someone called?

Xerula radicata without a doubt.

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