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24-04-2008, 09:43 PM
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I'm not sure if I've put this up before  Sorry if I have ... but: 
John |
24-04-2008, 09:51 PM
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What about Hygrophorus leucophaeus John? Whitish buff with a rusty brown umbo, decurrent gills and grows with Beech. I think I can see a beech leaf in there!
What you think mate?
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24-04-2008, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCantle  What about Hygrophorus leucophaeus John? Whitish buff with a rusty brown umbo, decurrent gills and grows with Beech. I think I can see a beech leaf in there!
What you think mate?
Nick | I see your point Nick but it's the big points on these that suggest something different ... well, to me anyway   |
24-04-2008, 10:11 PM
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... and since Hygrophorus leucophaeus is not considered a British species it would not be top of my list of possibilities.
Ken |
24-04-2008, 10:13 PM
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Always got to be difficult eh FJ? I see your point though (GET IT!!) lol
I'm an idiot |
24-04-2008, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn I'm not sure if I've put this up before Sorry if I have ... but:
John |
Stumped twice tonight  !! Must be losing my touch ! 
Gone to muse (again !).
Nick |
25-04-2008, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mykonik Stumped twice tonight !! Must be losing my touch !
Gone to muse (again !).
Nick | Forget the muse and have a snooze Nick .. You deserve it Tomorrow ... today is another day
John |
25-04-2008, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Fungus Ken ... and since Hygrophorus leucophaeus is not considered a British species it would not be top of my list of possibilities.
Ken | We do make the odd exception Ken
John |
25-04-2008, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NickCantle I'm an idiot | That still stands |
25-04-2008, 04:14 PM
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Any thoughts after musing Nick
John |
25-04-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn Any thoughts after musing Nick
John |
No, still musing John - and it's dinner time !! (thats my excuse at the moment !)
Nick |
25-04-2008, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mykonik No, still musing John - and it's dinner time !! (thats my excuse at the moment !)
Nick | Food ... or drink is always a good excuse Nick. No harm in that at all 
John |
25-04-2008, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn Food ... or drink is always a good excuse Nick. No harm in that at all
John | Especially drink I think - went to a pub near Chewton Mendip on St. Georges day and found myself surrounded by Calocybe gambosa in the pub garden !
And I'd only had a sip since I was driving, so wasn't seeing things
Nick
PS Still musing !!! |
25-04-2008, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn I'm not sure if I've put this up before Sorry if I have ... but:
John | This has the look of a Clitocybe or a Melanoleuca - this may sound odd but it struck me that it was atypical Clitocybe geotropa at first sight, possibly atypical material that hasn't expanded properly BUT ......
I'm not hugely convinced by my argument !
If a Melanoleuca then possibly what was known as Melanoleuca evenosa, now properly called M. strictipes ! When were these photographed ? I ask, since Clitocybe geotropa is (as you know) autumnal, in woodland but Melanoleuca strictipes is vernal, in scrub or in grassland (which this appears to be growing in !)
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25-04-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mykonik This has the look of a Clitocybe or a Melanoleuca - this may sound odd but it struck me that it was atypical Clitocybe geotropa at first sight, possibly atypical material that hasn't expanded properly BUT ......
I'm not hugely convinced by my argument !
If a Melanoleuca then possibly what was known as Melanoleuca evenosa, now properly called M. strictipes !
When were these photographed ? I ask, since Clitocybe geotropa is (as you know) autumnal, in woodland but Melanoleuca strictipes is vernal, in scrub or in grassland (which this appears to be growing in !)
Nick | Hi Nick
These were found on the 3rd of November last year growing in soil on grassland. Beech trees were in the near vicinity. It was a group of about 10 fruit bodies, but all shared the same pronounced cap.
No particular smell other than the grass it was growing in! If that makes any sense
John |
25-04-2008, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn Hi Nick
These were found on the 3rd of November last year growing in soil on grassland. Beech trees were in the near vicinity. It was a group of about 10 fruit bodies, but all shared the same pronounced cap.
No particular smell other than the grass it was growing in! If that makes any sense
John | I seriously wonder whether this is an 'abnormal mycelium' of Clitocybe geotropa then, John - sometimes things go awry with the nuclei in the mycelium and it then produces either nothing or abberant basidiomes.
But as I always end up saying, microscopy is the only way to identify things with any degree of certainty (but realise that not all collections are kept).
Can't be any more help than that with this one !
Nick |
25-04-2008, 09:37 PM
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I like the sound of abnormal mycelium. Does that mean we can blame all unidentified specimens on it and just assume they are what they look like?
Please? |
25-04-2008, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mykonik I seriously wonder whether this is an 'abnormal mycelium' of Clitocybe geotropa then, John - sometimes things go awry with the nuclei in the mycelium and it then produces either nothing or abberant basidiomes.
But as I always end up saying, microscopy is the only way to identify things with any degree of certainty (but realise that not all collections are kept).
Can't be any more help than that with this one !
Nick | Never mind Nick The next time I see any more like this I'll throw them over the shoulder Many thanks again.
John |
25-04-2008, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCantle I like the sound of abnormal mycelium. Does that mean we can blame all unidentified specimens on it and just assume they are what they look like?
Please? | Good thinking Nick |
25-04-2008, 09:45 PM
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Stamp on them John, chucking them over the shoulder would only help spore distribution |
25-04-2008, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCantle Stamp on them John, chucking them over the shoulder would only help spore distribution | Good point Nick we don't want these things turning up all over the place | | |
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