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Old 29-03-2008, 06:38 PM
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The smell of bedbugs

Tony from the North West Fungus group has just circulated an email to the group:

"Here is a tip to assist you when trying to decide what a bedbug smells like.

According to Henry Hitchings in his book 'The Secret Life of Words', the herb, coriander, derives from the Greek word, koris. Koris means smelling of bedbugs.

Hey Presto.

Just pop into Tesco on the way to your next foray for a quick sniff. Cheaper than going all the way to Greece."

I did a bit of research and responded as follows:

That’s an interesting suggestion, sniffing coriander. I have just been putting fresh coriander into our vegetable lasagne. If that’s what bed bugs smell like, then they can’t be all bad. But the coriander didn’t remind me of Lactarius quietus one bit.

Here’s a link to a website with some similar information to your source:

Medicinal Spices Exhibit - UCLA Biomedical Library: History & Special Collections

“The name coriander is derived from the Greek word koris, meaning bedbug, since the unripe seeds and leaves when crushed have a smell suggestive of a crushed bedbug.”

But on this website…

http://www.theherbspiral.com/CorianderHistory.htm

… the word “koris” is said to mean “stinky bug.”

(I don’t have a greek dictionary, but if you use the AltaVista Babel Fish translation tool, “koris” translates from Greek to English as “girl”… so perhaps we’d better not go down that route!)

Of course the well propounded theory is that Lactarius quietus smells of bedbugs. The bedbug is Cimex lectularius in the family Cimicidae.

So what do bedbugs smell like? Here are some suggestions from trawling the web:

“The data seems to show that the odor of a bed bug infestation, though distinct, is too subtle for amateur bug detectives. Bed bugs are said to smell like sweet, rotten raspberries, and it's also said that an infested room smells like almonds;”

“If the infestation is particularly heavy, then a slight minty smell is apparent when the area is first entered, some people say it smells like old dirty laundry.”

“the odor that bed bugs emit are like a musk, the scent created by an animal's (deer musk is used in many fragrances) stink gland between their stomach and their genitals”

Some interesting descriptions there and it just goes to show how personal the recognition and description of particular smells can be. However, nothing in these descriptions reminds me much of the oily smell I would associate with Lactarius quietus. But perhaps that’s not fair, if you actually have to squash the bedbug to get the distinctive smell, as suggested on the first website link above.

The association of the smell of Lactarius quietus with the smell of bedbugs is quite common throughout the mycological literature. For example, in the New Naturalist publication on Fungi by Brian Spooner and Peter Roberts:

“Commonest of the exclusive oak associates is Lactarius quietus, the oak milk cap, with its distinctive oily smell, said to be of bed bugs. Also common [is] Lactarius subumbonatus, with a similar but even stronger smell…” (page 268).

But this association with bedbugs is not universal. The authors of The Genus Lactarius (Fungi of Northern Europe Volume 2) describe the smell as “rather strong and characteristic, sweetish, like Pentamogium bugs or fondue oil”.

Similarly, The Genus Hygrocybe by David Boertmann (Fungi of Northern Europe Volume 1), Hygrocybe quieta is described as having a “faint smell like Lactarius quietus or like bugs (Pentatomidae)”.

The Pentatomidae is an entirely separate family from the Cimicidae, which includes the bedbugs. The Pentatomidae includes the Shield Bugs and the Stink Bugs. I am not sure which ones in particular are supposed to smell like Lactarius quietus (or vice versa) and I am not really familiar with the smell of pentatomid bugs. I am also not sure where Pentamogium fits in.

Obviously we need someone to do the experiment:

– sacrifice your bedroom to bedbugs and see what smell develops
– crush a few of the bedbugs
– collect and sniff a few pentatomid bugs
– squash some fresh (or should that be unripe?) coriander leaves
– bring home copious amounts of Lactarius quietus (and Lactarius subumbonatus and Hygrocybe quieta while you’re at it)
– compare all of the above smells and see which matches most closely to the distinctive smell of the fungi
– write to all potential authors of new fungi books and get them all to get their facts straight

So any offers to undertake the experiment?
Any thoughts from our insect experts on the bug aspects of this topic?
Anything anyone wants to add?

Ken
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Old 29-03-2008, 07:13 PM
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

I agree that Lactarius quietus (and Hygrocybe quieta) do not smell at all like coriander leaf, or seeds. They also don't smell oily to me, but then again I never knew what oily meant. Then again, quite a few of the smells are troublesome. How many people know what mice, or mouse pee, smells like? I took years to identify some Camarophyllopsis foetens, and had to be told that the smell was moth balls, having never come across them. I wonder how many people use moth balls? But I also have trouble with colours. What on earth does vinaceous mean? Or olivaceous? Or saffron? (Orange I guess.)
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Old 29-03-2008, 07:39 PM
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

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I wonder how many people use moth balls?
I used them for a while, because someone said it would stop the invertebrates from devouring my dried specimens of brackets. Unfortunately, even though this was out in the shed, the stink from the moth balls drove my wife mad and she made me throw everything away - the specimens too, because they stank of naphthalene. Perhaps I should just have waited to see how much damage the invertebrates did.

But I sure know what moth balls smell like.

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What on earth does vinaceous mean? Or olivaceous? Or saffron?
I wish someone would reprint the Methuen Handbook of Colour by Kornerup and Wanscher. It had a vast range of named colours and is used by many mycologists to give standard descriptions of the colours of specimens.

Unfortunately because it is out of print there are very few copies available and when they do come on the market I have seen them priced at over £1000. Yes, that's with three noughts. Not within my budget I'm afraid. Unless they reprint it I think I will have to make friends with a very ancient mycologist and suggest he/she leaves it to me in their will.

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Old 29-03-2008, 08:00 PM
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

Various books including the British Fungus Flora come with colour cards, and I now have three, and the chart in Jordan. Checking in there suggests that olivaceous is dark green and vinaceous is cinnamon. But the names are weird.
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Old 29-03-2008, 08:09 PM
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Various books including the British Fungus Flora come with colour cards, and I now have three, and the chart in Jordan. Checking in there suggests that olivaceous is dark green and vinaceous is cinnamon. But the names are weird.
I have several of the BFF ones too. But there just aren't enough colours on it to be helpful when you are sitting down with a specimen in your hand, particularly if it is a multi-coloured Russula, for example.

The range of colours on the BFF card is just not comprehensive enough.

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Old 29-03-2008, 09:06 PM
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I have several of the BFF ones too. But there just aren't enough colours on it to be helpful when you are sitting down with a specimen in your hand, particularly if it is a multi-coloured Russula, for example.

The range of colours on the BFF card is just not comprehensive enough.

Ken
I thought it was just me that was stupid. I never can get a match between a spore print and a colour on the card, except perhaps for white and black.
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

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I think I will have to make friends with a very ancient mycologist and suggest he/she leaves it to me in their will.

Ken
That sounds a great idea. How old are you Ken and have you already made a will

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Old 29-03-2008, 09:23 PM
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That sounds a great idea. How old are you Ken and have you already made a will

Mal
I think I have a few more good years in me yet.

Having a 22 year old daughter, as well as a 16 year old daughter, may make me feel geriatric but retirement won't be until the 2020s so it's a long way off.

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Old 29-03-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

While we are on the subject of smells, has anybody ever come across a 'resupinate' (spread out flat) fungus called the Mothball Crust ? (a proposed name) Scientific name is
Scytinostroma portentosum.
I found the first record for Suffolk last year. The previous year I had placed a dead, thin Willow trunk on the ground to act as a marker to a fungus I wanted to check later. When I went back last year I noticed something had grown on the underside of the trunk, so I bent down and carefully started to turn over the log and an over-powering
smell of naphthalene (mothballs) hit me.
The fungus was a pink/orange colour and was almost covering the whole length (5 m) of the log. Luckily, I had been on a coarse a few years ago learning about Beech deadwood fungi and I recalled a fungus smelling of mothballs being mentioned and so I was able to quickly look this one up in an English Nature publication (Report No 597) written by our tutor, Martyn Ainsworth.
The thing is, on subsequent visits, I was able to smell this scarce fungus from over a metre away, so, this is one for you to 'smell out for'



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Re: The smell of bedbugs

I don't know about bed bugs but I know earwigs have an awful smell when crushed!!

I will have to keep a nose out for the mothball smell/fungi in Suffolk, I certainly know what they smell like from my Grandmothers using them
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While we are on the subject of smells, has anybody ever come across a 'resupinate' (spread out flat) fungus called the Mothball Crust ? (a proposed name) Scientific name is
Scytinostroma portentosum.
Nope. I think I'd have noticed a bracket with such a distinctive smell.

It may well not have reached the North West yet, judging by the notes in the Basidiomycota Checklist:

"Scytinostroma portentosum
Habitat: On decorticated wood, or on bark, usually on the undersides of large logs or fallen trunks of deciduous trees. Most frequently collected on Fraxinus and also known on Fagus and Salix spp.

Notes: First reported from England (West Kent: Lullingstone Park) in 1991 but apparently spreading and now known from Berkshire, North Hampshire, Surrey and West Norfolk, with a single record from Scotland (South Aberdeen) in 2001. Basidiomes have a pungent odour of naphthalene."

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Re: The smell of bedbugs

On the etymology of coriander, Anne from the Mid-Yorkshire Fungus Group has added the following erudite contribution to the debate:

"Re the bed bugs and coriander discussion, etymologically speaking, there is absolutely no link here. The English 'coriander' derives from the Greek koriannon (Latin coriandrum), which is used to describe Coriandrum sativum by e.g. Theophrastus. There are lots of other words beginnig 'kor-', including 'koris', which means Cimex lectularius (or Hypericum petrifolium or a type of fish), and there's also 'kore' = a girl. Not all words beginning 'kor-' mean the same.

Mycologically speaking, I can't see any point in comparing the smell of any fungus to something no-one (with any luck) can get their hands or any other portion of their anatomy on! The useful thing is getting to learn the idiosyncratic smells of each fungus from identified specimens."

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I used them for a while, because someone said it would stop the invertebrates from devouring my dried specimens of brackets. Unfortunately, even though this was out in the shed, the stink from the moth balls drove my wife mad and she made me throw everything away - the specimens too, because they stank of naphthalene. Perhaps I should just have waited to see how much damage the invertebrates did.

But I sure know what moth balls smell like.



I wish someone would reprint the Methuen Handbook of Colour by Kornerup and Wanscher. It had a vast range of named colours and is used by many mycologists to give standard descriptions of the colours of specimens.

Unfortunately because it is out of print there are very few copies available and when they do come on the market I have seen them priced at over £1000. Yes, that's with three noughts. Not within my budget I'm afraid. Unless they reprint it I think I will have to make friends with a very ancient mycologist and suggest he/she leaves it to me in their will.

Ken
I use slug pellets in preserved specimen boxes. Seems to work and doesn't small.
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Re: The smell of bedbugs

I don't know about the smell of the bedbugs but know that they leave us itching and scary after bites. Its better to getridof them the sooner the better. Or else the ytend to spread faster. treatment fron deadbedbugs.com will help to eradicate them.
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