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Old 16-02-2008, 03:30 PM
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Unidentified Fungi

Hello everyone! Can our fungi 'experts' take a look at the attached shot and see if they can hazard a guess as to its identity? The photograph was taken in October/November 2007 in deciduous woodland just outside Wolverhampton.

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Old 16-02-2008, 04:05 PM
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Hi Jezlee, I am not the expert you were waiting for but I thought I would give it a shot - Possibly a Lactarius sp?
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Re: Unidentified Fungi

I'd second that opinion Shirley, but further than that I couldn't be sure

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Hi Jezlee, I am not the expert you were waiting for but I thought I would give it a shot - Possibly a Lactarius sp?
Thanks for the input, goosey .... I looked it up and it could be Lactarius tabidus, which, to quote the article I found, "Found widespread in Europe, including Britain. It is found growing under deciduous trees, especially birch (which this one was) and appears from September to November".
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Re: Unidentified Fungi

I think we all agree on the genus, though I don't think it is Lactarius tabidus from the general jizz, especially the dark stem. But as to what it is, well I don't think anyone could tell you with any certainty. It has been said before, but for many fungi it is essential to give it a thorough once over in the hope of finding distinctive characteristics (such as milk that slowly turns yellow on a white hanky), or at least a collection of traits that make an id likely. For some, such as Inocybe, life can get rather tough, and I've seen more than a few keen collectors lob some species over a shoulder.
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Re: Unidentified Fungi

Without Actually Having The Fungus On Hand To Identify It Properly, I'd Hazard A Guess At Lactarius rubrocinctus (Dont Quote My Spelling!). How Wide Was The Cap?
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Old 17-02-2008, 01:39 PM
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Re: Unidentified Fungi

While I could not rule out Lactarius rubrocinctus on the basis of the limited information we have, I would point out that this species is very uncommon in Britain, with only 34 finds in the Fungal Records Database of Britain and Ireland.

You would have to do a lot of work looking at a range of characters to demonstrate you had this particular species and we don't have that information.

My starting point would be with something much more common like Lactarius subdulcis but without essential information such as smell, changes in the colour of the milk and taste of the milk it is just guesswork.

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I'm Pretty Certain (93%) I Found Lactarius rubrocinctus In An Area Around Derbyshire, I Wasn't Aware That It Wasn't Common! Although I Haven't Seen One Since. But Not Being A Mycologist, I May Have Been Mistaken...
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Old 20-02-2008, 06:51 PM
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I'm Pretty Certain (93%) I Found Lactarius rubrocinctus In An Area Around Derbyshire, I Wasn't Aware That It Wasn't Common! Although I Haven't Seen One Since. But Not Being A Mycologist, I May Have Been Mistaken...
Unfortunately, there are quite a number of these beige/pink/brownish species that all look rather similar macroscopically and the characters do tend to intergrade. In addition, many field guides will not point out the important characters that you need to be aware of when trying to separate the species.

One of the best and most up to date books written in English on Lactarius is volume 2 in the Fungi of Northern Europe series. As an example, here is some of the descriptive text on Lactarius rubrocinctus:

"A medium-sized to rather large Lactarius with an orange-brown to ochraceous orange cap, becoming radially wrinkled with age or when dry; stem often with a narrow, darker zone at the top; associated with Fagus on rich soil...

Lactarius rubrocinctus is recognised by the rather robust habit in combination with the pallescent orange-brownish cap, which becomes radially wrinkled with age and when drying out. Also, the dark 'collar' at the top of the stem is often distinct and may give a good hint for the determination, along with the more or less violaceous reaction of the gills when gently rubbed.
The diagnostic macroscopic characters are however highly dependent on the age of the fruitbodies and on their general condition. Often not all diagnostic characters are present in a collection. Under the microscope, the combination of a hyphoepithelic pileipellis and very big macrocystidia makes the species unique among European Lactarii."

None of the important clues, such as the wrinkled cap or dark collar on the stem are visible in the photo above, and drawing on the leaves for a size comparison this isn't obviously a particularly robust specimen. With a species that has been rarely found, or rarely identified at least, in this country you would need to look at the microscopic characters to be sure.

Here is some of the description for Lactarius subdulcis:

"A rather small to medium-sized Lactarius associated with Fagus; cap dark brick to cinnamon or clay-buff, more or less crenulate at margin...

Lactarius subdulcis is associated with Fagus and found from June to November. It is common almost wherever its host is present, but especially on mull soils."

The description of the colour variability within this species shows the challenge of trying to sort these species out.

I can't see any beech leaves in the shot, only sycamore and birch for sure. If there was no beech present it is unlikely to have been either of the above species, so knowing the potential hosts for these mycorrhizal species is very important. Other important characters we are missing are any distinctive smell and the colour and taste of the milk, along with any colour change to the milk. You really are making things hard for yourself if you miss these vital clues.

There are several other species which could look superficially similar and we don't have enough information for a positive identification. However, my advice is always to start off with the most likely options ie the most commonly occurring species that may fit the characters of your specimen, and only move on to other less common species once you have definitely ruled out the more obvious ones.

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