4 fungi for ID please

[jcd123]

Hi saw these on a lunchbreak walk today

I have enclosed 2 pics of each - im sure you could work that out - but anyway can you give me some IDs please














This last one is the biggest fungi I have seen it is about 9 inches across






Hope you dont mind helping me out

Thanks

John

[jcd123]

Is the last one Birch Polypore

and the second one some type of maizegill?


I would be grateful if any knows what family they are so i can at least know where to start looking

John

[nuttyarb]

Hi there,
Yes, I would say the second one is Daedelopsis confragosa and the last one a fallen Piptoporus betulinus.

Cheers

[jcd123]

Thanks Nuttyarb

Thats the first ID i got right

you dont happen to know what family of mushrooms i should be looking for the other 2 do you?

Thanks
John

[Fungus Ken]

The first is a Mycena, probably Mycena galericulata.

The yellow mushroom is a bolete, as you can tell from the spore bearing surface underneath which comprises tubes rather than gills. Looks like Suillus grevillei, but that would mean there was a Larch lurking somewhere out of the picture because this is the Larch Bolete.

Ken

[jcd123]

Thanks Ken

I have to confess i didnt even notice the tubes underneath

Not sure what trees they are but this is where I found the Yellow one



What trees are they?

John

[Fungus Ken]

Beech trees, not Larch. Oops.

But then again, looking at the photo that shows the stem, aren't there are few conifer needles mixed in with the beech leaves?

I give up. It's a bolete. I have no other thoughts!

Ken

[nuttyarb]

I can only help with tree-related fungi I'm afraid- experts such as Ken are needed in the much more complex world of toadstool identification!

It's worth mentioning how good your photos are for aiding identification.

Cheers

[Cotham Marble]

Is 3 Boletus luridus ? There have been a couple of other threads about yellow boletes under beech.

CM

[jcd123]

Thanks nuttyarb

And thanks CM ill look that one up later and compare

john

[Fungus Ken]

Originally Posted by Cotham Marble

Is 3 Boletus luridus ? There have been a couple of other threads about yellow boletes under beech.

CM

Boletus luridus looks quite different. The stem is covered in a reddish network, the pores are orange-red rather than yellow, and the cap isn't yellow.

Ken

[Steve Wurzel]

from a quick visual photo comparison you may want to research and eliminate these reasonable matches for the Boletes..


Boletus aestivalis
Boletus fechtneri
Boletus luridus var queletiformis
Boletus pulverulentus
Boletus radicans
Boletus speciosus
Gyroporus castaneus
Tylopilus felleus
Xerocomus subtomentosus

If I had to choose at gun point, based on a purely visual comparison, I'd say Boletus fechtneri which shows up as "Near Threatened" on The Red List for Threatened British Fungi by the British Mycological Society (BMS), so it could be a fairly rare one.

[Fungus Ken]

In addition to noting the trees it was growing with, for a Boletus species you need to pay close attention to factors such as overall size, whether there is a network on the stem and whether the stem is swollen, shades and texture of the cap cuticle, colour of the tubes, whether there is any blueing of the flesh on bruising or cutting, smell, taste of the flesh etc. We only have limited information from a photograph.

Nevertheless, without going through each of the options individually, I would rule out almost all of the suggestions above based on the characters we can see in the photograph. If you recheck the pictures and descriptions in the field guides you will find that they are not close to the specimen in the photo. Only Boletus subtomentosus comes close as it can have yellow-capped variants. However, this species is one in the Xerocomus group and it tends to have a somewhat felty cap, unlike the specimen in the photo.

You also need to pay close attention to the characters on the stem. If you look closely at the image showing the stem of this yellow-capped mushroom it appears to be yellow towards the top and more rust coloured lower down. There may also be remnants of a whitish ring. Unfortunately these characters aren't unequivocal from the photograph but if present, would support the suggestion of Suillus grevillei. This is why a description of notable characters alongside a photo is the only way to be sure of a more accurate determination. The yellow pores on Suillus grevillei bruise a rust colour. Pressing your thumb on the pores and watching for any colour change is an easy test to try in the field.

Ken

[NickCantle]

What's stopping it being a Peppery Bolete?

[jcd123]

Hi Ken

I appreciate all the effort you have put into helping me on this one

It would be nice if it was scare as I have just started taking pics of fungi

If it helps I will go back tomorrow and take some more pics. I was reluctant to disturb it too much as it was the only one i saw however i think i can move some of the debris around it so I can get some better pics

I will also smell it but prob wont taste as I want to be around to find out what it is

Thanks Again

John

[Steve Wurzel]

Originally Posted by Fungus Ken

If you recheck the pictures and descriptions in the field guides you will find that they are not close to the specimen in the photo.

As I said Ken it was a quick comparison based entirely on photos I'd collected from the internet the best match I found was this actual photo from Mykonet, die Seite für den Pilzsammler for the Boletus fechtneri see if I'm imagining it for yourself I think it deserves to be considered for elimination based entirely on the photos available, although I'm not suggesting there is enough info in that photo to make an absolute positive ID, not by any means, it's just similar in this case.

http://www.mykonet.ch/images/Roehrli...chtneri401.JPG

I didn't post links to outside photos as the rules don't allow it but hopefully admin will allow this one!!

[jcd123]

My apologies Steve I meant to include your name in the last post

Thanks for your help also

as I said i will go there tomoroow and try to take more detailed photos including its size and smell and maybe take a slice from it to allow you experts a better id option

John

[Steve Wurzel]

No problem, I actually missed Kens first ID and Suillus grevillei wasn't in my collection of 5,000'ish photos, and just on the photos again, I agree with Ken it's the best match, but obviously confirm that it meets with the full spec.

I've just downloaded another 4,000 photos so hopefully when they're sorted I'll be able to fill a few gaps for quick ID pointers.

[Leif]

1. Mycena species.
2. Daedaleopsis confragosa.
3. See below.
4. Piptoporus betulinum.

I was tempted to suggest Larch Bolete for 3, given the distinctive colour, but it seems that is not likely given the habitat. There are one or two other possibilities.

The Peppery Bolete, Boletus piperatus, can be orange in colour, so it is a candidate.

A more likely species though is Boletus lanatus, which is not uncommon. The stem and cap are roughly right. It is fairly small, being typically 2" across, and has a distinctive coarse pattern on the stem.

Boletus leonis is another possibility, but I am not familiar with it.

That said, this is nothing more than weeing in the wind, as I really do not know what it is. There is not enough to go on sadly.

There is nothing wrong with cutting a piece from the cap, and observing the flesh colour and any colour changes, and the smell.

[jcd123]

hi

Ok I went back to the fungi this morning however I will not be able to post pics until later this evening.

But this might help to eliminate some options

The cap is 7cm across and the stem is 5cm
it does go a darker brown when you press your thumb into spores
the cap is dry and rubbery to the touch
it smells...wait for it...Mushroomy
the first cm of the stem is whiteish then it turns yellow
the fungi is alot yellower than it appears in the original photos
It is beginning to turn up at the edges - i guess this is ageing?
Its stem is quite strong as I was moving it around it didnt snap or tear

Hope yhis helps you experts some

Thanks again

John

[jcd123]

Steve where do you get all these downloaded pictures from?

John

[Fungus Ken]

Replying to various points raised above:

- an obvious word of caution about comparing with photos on the web. You can't be sure that the species in the photo has been correctly identified/labelled. The reliability of some websites is better than others so tread carefully.
- whether you think a specimen in one photo looks similar to a specimen in another photo depends very much on how familiar you are with the particular genus and the likely variability within each species in that genus. I don't know Boletus fechtneri, but from what I have read about the species, to me the linked image looks very different from the yellow capped bolete in the photos above. I would suggest the approach of comparing first with the more common species and ruling these out as appropriate, rather than jumping straight to a comparison with rare ones. You also have to do a lot more work in checking the characters, if you think you have something rare, to prove the case beyond doubt.
- Boletus lanatus is not now recognised as a separate species. The separation from Boletus subtomentosus was based on the reaction of the cap cuticle to ammonia, which has now be shown to be an unreliable character. It is now regarded as a synonym of Boletus subtomentosus, which has a felty cap, unlike the specimen in the photos above.
- Boletus leonis is now regarded as a synonym of Boletus moravicus. I have only seen this a couple of times, but the descriptions I have in the monographs don't match with the photos above.
- Chalciporus piperatus (syn. Boletus piperatus) has cinnamon or rust coloured pores. The specimen in the photo seems to me to have yellow pores.
- it only takes one Larch tree somewhere in the vicinity for there to be Larch boletes present but we still don't know if that's the case. Does anyone else think they can see conifer needles in the photo showing the stem or is it just me?
- pores turning darker brown on bruising would agree with Suillus grevillei, as would the fact that the cap is more yellow. This species has a sticky cap when fresh but it goes rubbery when dry.

Ken

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[solus]

Originally Posted by Fungus Ken

Does anyone else think they can see conifer needles in the photo showing the stem or is it just me?
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I can only se Beech leaves and what could be a few bits of dried grass...

I notice JCD123 (also my hubby's initials btw!) comes from Gloucester, same as me (no, we are NOT related!) so it might be interesting to learn the name of the woodland where this one was found. I "got into" fungi last autumn and have spent quite a lot of time since in various Cotswold Beechwoods as well as the Forest of Dean and have come across many problematic specimens ID-wise, which the team on here have helped me with. (Thanks, all.)

[jcd123]

hi Solus

There seem to be a few of us from Gloucestershire area
all of the fungi in this post are from Leckhampton Hill.
I have only in taken an interest in fungi for the last month and I have quite a few I need help with.
I also go to the forest and was at Nagshead at the weekend in the rain taking pictures....sad isn't
it
we will have to arrange a fungi day out with an expert

John

[jcd123]

Hi

here are a few more photos, not sure wether they will help or not, but Kens suggestion of Suillus grevillei is looking very good to me, but what do I know







As you can see I forgot to take a knife to cut fungi

Thanks

John