Bernard Matthews Bird Flu link to Hungry

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by nightshade

The government will not ban turkey meat from Hungry I wonder why

Other countries have banned our meat. We haven't even got bird flu in the wild, only on BM's farm. When will we stick up for ourselves as a country and keep the political correctness where it belongs.
We don't want cheep imports of diseased meat and meat products.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Re-search

Linking bird flu to climate changes is easy in theory but difficult for me to prove.
If wild birds or poultry should be subjected to abnormally low air pressure they might suffer decompression sickness. This means that disolved nitrogen would be released into the blood and oxidation, a form of poisoning, would occur. The bird/s concerned would lose immunity to infection and suffer metabolic failure. One small bird could easily infect a flock and leave the owner suffering from false allegations.

I am not sure we can blame the global bird flu outbreak on anyone factor - bird flus of a variety of sorts are endemic in many countries , it is just that H5N1 is of concern because it is unusually virulent.

the outbreak in suffolk however is a different matter - bernard matthews claim that their sheds have top line biosecurity - meaning that it would not have been possible for a wild bird to enter (assuming BM arent lying about that as well) , also if it was vectored by a wild bird why have there been no other outbreaks anywhere else in the area - this pattern is not in line with the wild bird migratory spread of H5N1 which we saw last year.

your alternative explanation also falls down on one rather large point - there is no evidence that climate change is leading to significant reductions in air pressure , okay warm air has a lower pressure than cold air but not to the degree that would lead to birds suffering from decompression sickness.

and also decompression sickness leads to major and imediate cramps in the chest muscles which would leave a bird unable to fly any distance ( certainly not from Hungary to here ) this has been shown on large windfarms in the usa where birds have suffered from decompression sickness as a result of the partial vacum induced by the blades.

[ron1863]

I have never ate any of this man's products as he was shown to be feeding his turkeys steroids many years ago. His birds are also kept in battery hen like accommodation with no regard for their welfare. It doesn't surprise me, and he should be investigated and prosecuted.

"Bootiful my oooo" (Jim Royle quote)

[Re-search]

If the infection of Bernards turkeys had been a criminal offense then a detective from the Suffolk Constabulary would have been assigned the awesome task of bringing an offender to justice.
Let us imagine the outbreak to have been a criminal offense and a Suffolk detective trying to detect the definate source of the infection in order to secure a conviction. If I were the detective then I know where I would start but I am not able to imagine the Suffolk Constabulary knowing.
If the death of Bernards turkeys were to be regarded by the Suffolk Constabulary as a crimal offense then I can see no way that any man or woman could possibly be convicted.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Re-search

If the infection of Bernards turkeys had been a criminal offense then a detective from the Suffolk Constabulary would have been assigned the awesome task of bringing an offender to justice.
Let us imagine the outbreak to have been a criminal offense and a Suffolk detective trying to detect the definate source of the infection in order to secure a conviction. If I were the detective then I know where I would start but I am not able to imagine the Suffolk Constabulary knowing.
If the death of Bernards turkeys were to be regarded by the Suffolk Constabulary as a crimal offense then I can see no way that any man or woman could possibly be convicted.

You dont by any chance work for bernard matthews do you ? as you seem awfully keen to defend him / them

Suffolk constabluary would not need to "detect the source of infection" this has already been shown to be infected imports from hungary (the strain found in suffolk is identical to the hungarian one , and the fact that such imports took place is a matter of record.

Whether there is a criminal case to answer would depend on whether criminal negligence could be proven - I suspect it probably could , but that someone at the farm would be the fall guy rather than BM themselves. and in anycase the police have far better things to do

However I would expect BM to be investigated by EH/defra and by the WHO for non compliance with biosecurity guidelines , which could result in a big fine , and we could also see claims for damages from other farmers alledging that BM's negilgence had led to loss of earnings.

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by Re-search

I am not in favour of blaming Bernard Matthews for an outbreak of bird flu in the UK or anywhere else.
Bird flu is a global problem and more likely to be linked to climate changes than not.

Perhaps it would just be easier to link everything to climate change?

Oh, and air pressure

[Re-search]

I can assure you that I do not work for BM. Instead, I work for the survival of mankind and our beloved wildlife.

An injustice always has the potential to lead to further injustice.

In the case of BM, I see vitriolic attacks on a company where livelihoods are at stake. I peronally do not eat steak or Bernards turkeys but that is just one of my choices.

I am choosing to defend BM due to my knowledge, not a desire to reap a reward.

Thus far, there is nothing proven related to the infection of Bernards livestock. It is very easy to make assumptions and point the finger of blame at a company or its chairman. If I could find a valid reason to point a finger at Bernard Matthews or any of his employees then I would do so. Unfortunately, I am not able to do so and regard BM as the victim.

[Boddie]

Who do you work for?

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Re-search

Thus far, there is nothing proven related to the infection of Bernards livestock. It is very easy to make assumptions and point the finger of blame at a company or its chairman. If I could find a valid reason to point a finger at Bernard Matthews or any of his employees then I would do so. Unfortunately, I am not able to do so and regard BM as the victim.

actually it is proven that the strain found in the BM shed is identical to that found in hungary
it is also a matter of record that BM regularly imports turkeys , turkey meat, and eggs from hungary - While it is not absolutely proven that this was the route of infection it is a rather large coincidence

There is significantly more evidence for this scenario than there is linking the outbreak to climate change

As to jobs being at stake - the stakes are rather higher than that , if the infection spreads to other farms jobs across the industry will be under threat - and if infected meat has entred the food chain the consequences could be much worse - If you truly work for the survival of mankind - I would hope that you would put more weight on the prevention of a mutant birdflu pandemic than you do on the protection of BMs reputation.

[Re-search]

Replying to postings on this form is a bit iffy. They vanish into very thin air!

I posted a reply to the effect that I do not work for BM but instead work for the survival of mankind and our beloved wildlife. Unfortunately, the posting went astray today but tomorrow will hopefully be different.

If one points the finger of blame at BM then an injustice is likely to occur because nothing has thus far been proven. The virus might have come from Hungary but if Bernards stock had been eating anti-oxidants then they might have survived.