Dogs on leads

[Jim Ford]

Talking of dogs.
;^)

Do any dog owners on this forum actually _like_ to hear their dogs continually barking?

I ask this because I've often noticed people in our local park with dogs that bark continually - maybe for stretches of over 20 mins or so at a time as long as they're in the park. The owners don't seem to be concerned and often show little sign of even noticing. I notice it because I find it nerve gratingly irritating!

I've mentioned in another thread that owners often seem to be unwittingly training their dog to bark - the dog barks and is rewarded by a stick or ball being thrown, which reinforces the behaviour. This is repeated and the dog learns that its owner approves of the barking, so it continues to do so to please them.

Jim

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

Talking of dogs.
;^)

Do any dog owners on this forum actually _like_ to hear their dogs continually barking?

I ask this because I've often noticed people in our local park with dogs that bark continually - maybe for stretches of over 20 mins or so at a time as long as they're in the park. The owners don't seem to be concerned and often show little sign of even noticing. I notice it because I find it nerve gratingly irritating!

I've mentioned in another thread that owners often seem to be unwittingly training their dog to bark - the dog barks and is rewarded by a stick or ball being thrown, which reinforces the behaviour. This is repeated and the dog learns that its owner approves of the barking, so it continues to do so to please them.

Jim

My dog barks on demand..if she barks in the garden as she sometimes does, I shout "shut up" she immediately does so..
There are others in the neighbourhood who's dogs bark all day long I think they are at work..

[BloomingMarvellous]

Originally Posted by Boddie

I would suggest that there is something quite odd about being bitten several times. Seems to be a common denominator.

And a son 'running for his life'.

Rather melodramatic I think. Seems to be a common theme.

There's nothing melodramatic about being bitten by a dog Boddie, it happens every day of the year, but we don't hear about that, unless someone dies or is injured seriously. Many dog attacks are not reported.

My Son is not afraid of Dogs, he's big enough to know how to defend himself from them, I'm not though.

[Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

Talking of dogs.
;^)

Do any dog owners on this forum actually _like_ to hear their dogs continually barking?

I ask this because I've often noticed people in our local park with dogs that bark continually - maybe for stretches of over 20 mins or so at a time as long as they're in the park. The owners don't seem to be concerned and often show little sign of even noticing. I notice it because I find it nerve gratingly irritating!

I've mentioned in another thread that owners often seem to be unwittingly training their dog to bark - the dog barks and is rewarded by a stick or ball being thrown, which reinforces the behaviour. This is repeated and the dog learns that its owner approves of the barking, so it continues to do so to please them.

Jim

I can't stand dogs barking, one of mine barks hysterically when someone passes by the garden gate, but after about 10 seconds (which is about how long it takes me to get out the back door) he gets rewarded by the hosepipe spray! He is gradually getting the message thank the lord.

Saying that, mostly dogs bark for attention, so the correct training is to completely ignore them until they stop, (which can take hours) by their own accord, you shouldn't acknowledge them at all even to yell at them. I had a deerhound who used to whine incessantly when he wanted attention in the morning, he would start about 5:00 after hubby went to work. Of course I would get up & yell at him, but he saw this as getting what he wanted, so he would continue until I got up again. It took months of earplugs and gritted teeth to eventually solve the problem.

My barking dog at the moment isn't doing it for my attention but in excitement & gets into a hysteria loop & needs 'shocking' out of it. He is rewarded when he stops. I don't think I'll ever stop him barking as people & animals go by but he will now stop quickly on command.

[animartco]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

I imagine that there will be a special police task force setup, primed and ready to respond the moment an errant dog is seen to be off a footpath, or without a lead. At last we'll all be able to sleep safely in our beds.

Contrary to certain urban opinions, farmers and landowners have usually got more important things to do than stand in their fields looking for unleashed dogs. Also I doubt if any police force in the country would consider a dog being off a lead a priority, of any proportion, to warrant the attendance of an officer. I think the police would come in for a great deal of criticism from the Press, and the overwhelming majority of the population, especially at a time when resources are due to be cut.

If a dog harms livestock it's another matter. Why, oh why, have we got to penalise all dog owners, in order to curtail the actions of a irresponsible minority? Lets try to hang on to a basic level of tolerance, and stop demonising dogs and dog owners.

Yes, Gatekeeper I know all that, but police have to log in a call about any legitimate crime. It shows up in the reports and statistics. If we all did called the police when we saw (I was going to say a dog, but of course I mean) a dog owner misbehaving we might get some action from the government, like the replacement of dog licenses.
Plus I think that letting a dog worry and kill ground nesting birds on a reserve is a very serious crime! A lot more serious than a pickpocket or shop lifter.

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by animartco

Yes, Gatekeeper I know all that, but police have to log in a call about any legitimate crime. It shows up in the reports and statistics. If we all did called the police when we saw (I was going to say a dog, but of course I mean) a dog owner misbehaving we might get some action from the government, like the replacement of dog licenses.
Plus I think that letting a dog worry and kill ground nesting birds on a reserve is a very serious crime! A lot more serious than a pickpocket or shop lifter.

So what exactly would you do if you witnessed it then?

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by animartco

Yes, Gatekeeper I know all that, but police have to log in a call about any legitimate crime. It shows up in the reports and statistics. If we all did called the police when we saw (I was going to say a dog, but of course I mean) a dog owner misbehaving we might get some action from the government, like the replacement of dog licenses.
Plus I think that letting a dog worry and kill ground nesting birds on a reserve is a very serious crime! A lot more serious than a pickpocket or shop lifter.

Do try to keep up, I've had 8 further posts in this thread since this one, and have explained at length my stance on this subject. This is part of the problem: the thread is now so long that it's lost a lot of it's original coherency. It's also become a little rabid along the way, but maybe that's not too surprising considering the subject matter.

[PMG]

...... maybe its time to 'put it to sleep' then and have a break (try the badger culling thread for a change subject but same intransigence) before another rabid dog on leads thread breaks out in a week/month or two ..........

I'm not dismissisng this thread lightheartedly by the way - it is serious for those it brings trouble for - but all it proves is that the bottom line is tolerence/intolerence: some people think about their actions and consider others, others assume that everyone is like them and will love their dog no matter what it does, and the third catregory are those that don't care how you feel or how the dog feels either and they arn't on here reading, writing or complaining ..........

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by PMG

...... maybe its time to 'put it to sleep' then and have a break (try the badger culling thread for a change subject but same intransigence) before another rabid dog on leads thread breaks out in a week/month or two ..........

I'm not dismissisng this thread lightheartedly by the way - it is serious for those it brings trouble for - but all it proves is that the bottom line is tolerence/intolerence: some people think about their actions and consider others, others assume that everyone is like them and will love their dog no matter what it does, and the third catregory are those that don't care how you feel or how the dog feels either and they arn't on here reading, writing or complaining ..........

Exactly Pauline.

We have this stupid debate every month or so, when it would be far better aired on a site where it might actually have an affect on those reading it.

Does Jeremy Kyle have a fan page?

[matt_xyz]

I think this thread has run its course and have now closed it.

Matt