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07-06-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott  Yes, it worries many people when speeders try to push you. It's often counter-productive. For instance if someone gets close behind our car my wife actually slows down on the grounds that if you have idiots like that behind you they're likely to crash into you and therefore the slower speed you're travelling at, the better! | That's the theory behind my driving habit. If a car is tailgating I'll slow down to what I feel is safe, although not too slow as that could be counterproductive too, causing people to get too impatient and do even more stupid things. Then at the nearest opportunity I'll stop or pull over and allow them to pass.
I always feel that the 'law of averages' means the person driving stupidly will regret it one day when they're trapped in twisted metal or behind bars. 
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07-06-2009, 06:21 PM
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It helps when you're driving an old land rover. If people are stupid enough to think they can intimidate me by driving too close they are welcome to see what comes off worst, their plastic bumper or my metal tow hitch. |
07-06-2009, 06:38 PM
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HTML Code: I regularly drive at significantly under the speed limit. It's just that, a limit, not a recommendation. I drive at a speed that I feel minimises the risk to me and those around me. As an example think of a single track country lane, the national speed limit applies but it would be reckless to drive at anything like that sort of speed.
I tend to do so too and I so agree with what you say about the national speed limits applying to certain country lanes.
I am always aware a country lane may may have horseriders,tractors etc just round the next bend.....
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07-06-2009, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by agrumpycow ............
I always feel that the 'law of averages' means the person driving stupidly will regret it one day when they're trapped in twisted metal or behind bars. | If only - I especially feel this about people overtaking on the inside at high speeds (>70, often) on motorways. I always expect (hope?  ) to see them smashed up along the road after trying to zig-zag a big lorry! Have not seen it yet but ..... |
07-06-2009, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Jackson It helps when you're driving an old land rover. If people are stupid enough to think they can intimidate me by driving too close they are welcome to see what comes off worst, their plastic bumper or my metal tow hitch. | Yes I just slam the breaks on in mine.....See the look on their face.........Classic....... 
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07-06-2009, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott If only - I especially feel this about people overtaking on the inside at high speeds (>70, often) on motorways. I always expect (hope? ) to see them smashed up along the road after trying to zig-zag a big lorry! Have not seen it yet but ..... | A bit over the top to 'hope' surely, Paul!  |
07-06-2009, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott If only - I especially feel this about people overtaking on the inside at high speeds (>70, often) on motorways. | Don't tell me you're one of those drivers that sit in the middle lane at 60MPH, while the inside lane is empty, Paul?
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08-06-2009, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SheffieldLass It is also interesting how people want speed curb measures on the road outside their homes, but hate them on other roads, where they see them as a nuisance ..
Melanie | Sadly, the reality is not so good: we have speed humps right outside our house, and I wish they could be removed. They only slow down those drivers who drive at reasonable speeds anyway! Lorries and vans crash over them at any speed, sending shudders through the house structure, many car drivers fly over them at far faster speeds than I suspect they would have driven past without them, and as for motorcyclists - well, it doesn't affect them anyway, does it, but they just treat them as chicanes to slalom through at as high a speed as possible.
Until we can educate drivers (and riders) to change their attitudes to the anti-social nature of inappropriate speeds (yes, too slow, as well as too fast) we shall continue to have these problems. |
08-06-2009, 07:43 AM
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I used to be a proffesional driver for many years and have seen a lot I would like to forget!
the 'right hand duel carriage wayers'are a pain in the ....'cos they stay just on your tail so when you want to overtake they are blocking you with no intention of overtaking themselves!I now indicate and if they don't drop back I start very slightly moving out...they seem to drop back,doesn't matter if I'm in my LWB twin axle or my lill old Jap sports,they get the idea quickly usually!And I make my point by then moving back into the left lane after I've overtaken!!!
I think they did start talking about a law to stop 'middle laners' on motorways!!??!!!They really are a danger!!
Once following a truck up the M1 it had 2 stickes on the back..one with an arrow pointing right saying Overtakers...the other pointing left saying Undertakers!Quite apt I thought!Stupid drivers that do overtake on the inside don't realise that the big vans & trucks often have blind spots & can't see them when they are about to change lanes which they often do slower than cars sos not to 'cut up' another lorrry etc!I think if alll drivers had a week of driving the bigger vehicles they may realise the pitfalls of undertaking and also cutting in too close in front!Big vehicles cannot stop so quickly or the loads shift!!!
I'm not even going to get started on caravan towers or huge motorhome drivers who have never driven anything biger than a micra in their lives!!We have a very small campsite down the lane and our local farmers(bless 'em) will not budge when dragging a trailer loaded up..they make the 'grockles' reverse back..just for the entertainment value!All people should maybe have to take a test before using these types of vehicles !!?? 
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08-06-2009, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Ford Don't tell me you're one of those drivers that sit in the middle lane at 60MPH, while the inside lane is empty, Paul?
Jim | Certainly not, my wife uses the lane which is most appropriate. Incidentally, I don't drive ... which gives me all the more time to watch the terrifying behaviour of those who do but shouldn't be allowed! More than enough times I have sat travelling at the speed limit in the middle lane to see some idiot passing on the left ..... |
08-06-2009, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SheffieldLass It is sad for pet owners if they do lose their animals on the roads, and also distressing for those who inadvertently hit any animal. But pet owners should know they are putting their animals lives at risk if they let them roam free. They should also be aware that they risking causing accidents and death to people if they let their animals stray onto roads, as many people will swerve instinctively to avoid them and may lose control, hit oncoming vehicles, trees, walls etc. And these people may be driving sensibly within speed limits. We can't do much about wild animals (except provide under-road passageways etc). And sheep are notorious for finding the smallest gaps and getting onto roads.
I wonder if you'd class me as one of them ... I'm a stickler for speed limits. I certainly don't crawl along, but I don't speed either. And I do drive according to the road conditions, something that many do not do, they seem to think that the speed limit is the required minimum speed whatever the conditions ... And I do try to keep the safe braking distance between me and the car in front. I love the section of the M1 where it is marked on the roads, to check your distance ... suddenly the cars get much more spaced apart as people think about it. Then bit by bit they close up again as they forget, and switch to their old patterns.
It is amazing how many frustrated drivers you get behind yourself if you are doing 39mph in a 40mph limit area ... or 30mph in a 30 mph area. Or, in rural areas if you drop down to the required speed through villages ... you can see certain drivers getting quite red in the face because you are in front and doing what you are legally required to do. And I refuse to get intimidated by them when they drive aggressively right up your backside to try to force you to do the illegal speed they want to do. If you do 70 mph on the motorway, just watch how many cars are overtaking you, and just how many are doing more than 60mph on the likes of the non-dual carriageway parts of the A1. I suspect there are many 1000s of drivers regularly and deliberately breaking the speed limit to every 'politically correct' driver. In fact I can't remember when I last came across a 'politically correct' driver ... an elderly person doing a local trip to the shops, yes, who drives according to their limitations ... quite a few tractors ... a few lorry drivers who drive appropriately on winding lanes. And yes, quite a few who do diligently adjust their speeds to keep within the speed limit.
It is also interesting how people want speed curb measures on the road outside their homes, but hate them on other roads, where they see them as a nuisance ..
Melanie | I think that your attitude to drivingis one of the sensible ones and I agree one or two mph under the stated limit (slower if conditions demand it) is very good (10mph BAD)
The people I mean are the selfish so-and-so's that force a speed limit on others who if challenged reply "there is no minimum speed limit why would you want to go faster than me?" It is these smug PC people that cause rash speeding through sheer frustration.
I tow a caravan and drive (conditions permitting) to the legal speed limits allowed (50mph and 60mph on A and M class roads), stopping if a queue builds up. Even then people overtake then SLOW down in front of me on A-roads and Motorways, WHY?
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08-06-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott More than enough times I have sat travelling at the speed limit in the middle lane to see some idiot passing on the left ..... | But if there was room in the inside lane for someone to 'undertake' you, then _you_ should have been in the inside lane! They 'undertook' you because they were probably frustrated with you steadfastly sitting in the middle lane!
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08-06-2009, 02:59 PM
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Think about that ....
(a) the hypothetical 'they' would need to exceed the speed limit whatever lane they were in;
(b) in the real case, someone who is trying to get into the left-hand lane would be smacked by anyone overtaking on the inside - which is the serious danger and is why the law exists. I've seen it far too often ..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Ford But if there was room in the inside lane for someone to 'undertake' you, then _you_ should have been in the inside lane! They 'undertook' you because they were probably frustrated with you steadfastly sitting in the middle lane!
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08-06-2009, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Ford But if there was room in the inside lane for someone to 'undertake' you, then _you_ should have been in the inside lane! They 'undertook' you because they were probably frustrated with you steadfastly sitting in the middle lane!
Jim | This is another classic, why do they sit in the middle lane _well_ below 70mph
forcing speed limited vehicles that are going faster than they are in the inside lane to undertake or slow down to a crawl because of a centre lane hog.
It is like dual carriageway nowdays, 5mile stretch of dual carriageway and someone sits in the outside lane because in 5 MILES time they will turn right at a roundabout (perhaps)
Time for some Department of Transport Information Films I think
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08-06-2009, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott Think about that ....
(a) the hypothetical 'they' would need to exceed the speed limit whatever lane they were in; | It's up to them it they exceed the speed limit - not for you to try to 'police' or enforce it. Quote: |
(b) in the real case, someone who is trying to get into the left-hand lane would be smacked by anyone overtaking on the inside - which is the serious danger and is why the law exists. I've seen it far too often .....
| Are you suggesting that there is a continuous stream of 'undertakers', such that you can't get into inside lane with getting 'smacked'? I've been driving on motorways since the M1 was first opened, and never seen that!
You drive in the leftmost empty lane - whatever speed you're doing!
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08-06-2009, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bethy we apparently have community support officers that come round a few times a week, but not in the evenings when these things happen! | we have the same thing where I live, its a shame actually, 'cos sometimes, we have police with speeding cameras further up the road, but where my cat got hit, drivers put on a spurge of last minute speed before they get caught :\ |
08-06-2009, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade Time for some Department of Transport Information Films I think | Oh do I agree!!!!the times I've said 'They would never pass a test now' & that idiot was in the wrong lane' at a roundabout!!!! 
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08-06-2009, 06:45 PM
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Not sure what you mean but are you saying that you've never been signalling to go into the lefthand lane and had someone travelling at 90mph coming up on the inside? You're very lucky ......
Yes, of course you drive in the leftmost lane - if you can get into it and if you don't get idiots zig-zagging over every lane. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Ford Are you suggesting that there is a continuous stream of 'undertakers', such that you can't get into inside lane with getting 'smacked'? I've been driving on motorways since the M1 was first opened, and never seen that!
You drive in the leftmost empty lane - whatever speed you're doing!
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15-06-2009, 06:51 PM
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I was very moved to find that there are people that care about animal deaths on the roads. It is such a huge problem we need people to get together to make a difference to lobby the powers that be. I live in the New Forest where there has been an awful problem with pony donkey & cattle deaths for many years. There are so many callous & stupid drivers who dont stop. This week a pony was hit & left to die,the accident unreported, eventually it had to be shot & its companion lay down by its side & would not move,the next day wandering round calling for her friend! My own pony got out of her field & was hit & killed many years ago. I think Pauls suggestion to make speed limits of 20 mph in vulnerable areas is a good one. I drive well under the speed limit on country roads & estates,also try to look out for any injured animals or birds. Lets pressure these councils & MPs to get something done! WE are paying for them to do something useful .
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15-06-2009, 11:09 PM
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As an introduced solution on a housing estate i think there was nothing wrong with speed humps/sleeping policeman as a good primary attempt to a problem.
Perhaps an improvement was mentioned to reduce the limits in vulnerable areas like these, there is no nationalised reduced limit on housing areas just off main roads?. But our children and pets frequent these areas, and us , if you hit a child at 30mph with a truck, that truck is moving at 44 feet 'per second', that is a long way in a short time, not to mention moving under such a vehicle after an impact.
44 feet per second equates to 3 average vehicle lengths! so if a small child walked out behind parked cars / 3 cars infront, the driver of the vehicle has 1 second to realise, react, and put the foot on the brake pedal and stop the vehicle, what chance does the small child have? . 30?.
Dare I increase my speed past the national built up area limit even?.
Do people actually realise what chance they have of stopping, seriously?, "Your not one of those that slows all the other drivers down?
i'm lost for words there!.
If I had it my way, I would limit by radio control all vehicles in urban areas, except emergency services, to make sure, limits were adhered to and not surpassed on main roads.
I would also reduce and control speed in housed off main road areas to maybe 15mph. for the sake of someones life a few seconds more on your journey to get to the end of the short road you are travelling is surely not too much to pay, not to mention an animal.
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16-06-2009, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by adamh As an introduced solution on a housing estate i think there was nothing wrong with speed humps/sleeping policeman as a good primary attempt to a problem. | As I've mentioned before, ambulance drivers apparently hate them. Next time you go over speed humps, imagine you're in the back of an ambulance, having suffered severe injuries, particularly spinal. The last thing you'd want is to be bounced arround by speed humps!
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16-06-2009, 08:51 PM
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We have bumps on the designated HGV route through town, which I suppose can be coped with, but one, and only one, is like the Eiger. It keeps disintegrating, the bang as the unknowing hit it at 20 is amazing.
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16-06-2009, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Ford As I've mentioned before, ambulance drivers apparently hate them. Next time you go over speed humps, imagine you're in the back of an ambulance, having suffered severe injuries, particularly spinal. The last thing you'd want is to be bounced arround by speed humps!
Jim | I think it may depend on the type of speed hump. I wouldn't know for sure but maybe those half-size ones are better for ambulances, etc. as maybe the wider gaps would go either side like buses  I dunno, just a thought and I guess it depends on the style of ambulance.
Or maybe even better those islands which block one lane where one direction has right of way?
Whatever the solution it's just a crying shame that this discussion has to take place at all
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16-06-2009, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by adamh i hope this is the right forum for help:
I want to know how i can make a difference to a problem of cars speeding, i know its apparent everywhere in the u.k. to be specific i live in herstmonceux, a village in east sussex. I've not always been in the country, i was brought up in a north london suburb, village life is a little more better than living in the city, less noise, less anger, less people keeping you up until 6am!. i guess we all get older and less tolerable, lucky for some to get old?.
The small estate we now live on, in the tiniest of 2 bedroom flats , is probably about a quarter mile square, its an average type housing estate with a main road running right through it. The A271.
The reason for me writing today.... | http://www.cpresussex.org.uk/Resourc...uiet-lanes.pdf
Don't know if this of any help to you Adam?
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