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[PMG]

Originally Posted by Jez

Not sighing at all badgerwatcher! After watching Zeitgeist, I'm left wondering how self sufficient I can be. If alls true, the new world order wouldn't want that.

Hmmm again from me - I've watched some more and delved a little more and I'm undeniably interested in what I've seen - BUT - I still maintain a good dollop of scepticism - for all things - I keep an open mind or maybe that should be duel mind - I will take something at face value until proven different because why would anyone lie to me ......... and the answer to that is cos they want me to do something or think a certain way in order to achieve something............ and words are the easiest things in the world to manipulate - you can make anything sound any way you want if you are clever enough with words and have a pursuasive personality........

And as has been pointed out to me on numerous occasions - the internet is unregulated and anyone can put anything they like on it - as in sky blue pink with yellow dots! After watching zeitgeist tho - particularly the section on media and television and keeping a diet of pulp entertainment going to salve the bored masses and stop folks from thinking straight or from doing anything creative or useful ............ Hmmmmm..........

The thing that folks are agreed on is that we do need to live in a more sustainable way..............

Pauline

[pressld2]

Originally Posted by pressld2

That's just plain bad advice.

In light of Sven's post I'd like to withdraw that comment. I apologise, I didn't realise that there was any dispute about dishwashers being greener than washing up by hand.

Just goes to show how hard it is to be green when there's so much conflicting advice around and so many experts disagreeing with each other.

Dave P.

[PMG]

Originally Posted by PMG

Hmmm again from me - I've watched some more and delved a little more and I'm undeniably interested in what I've seen - BUT - I still maintain a good dollop of scepticism - for all things - I keep an open mind or maybe that should be duel mind - I will take something at face value until proven different because why would anyone lie to me ......... and the answer to that is cos they want me to do something or think a certain way in order to achieve something............ and words are the easiest things in the world to manipulate - you can make anything sound any way you want if you are clever enough with words and have a pursuasive personality........

And as has been pointed out to me on numerous occasions - the internet is unregulated and anyone can put anything they like on it - as in sky blue pink with yellow dots! After watching zeitgeist tho - particularly the section on media and television and keeping a diet of pulp entertainment going to salve the bored masses and stop folks from thinking straight or from doing anything creative or useful ............ Hmmmmm..........

The thing that folks are agreed on is that we do need to live in a more sustainable way..............

Pauline

And I'm still saying Hmmm......... having read quite a bit more today on and off - I've looked at several sites claiming to debunk and explain if all away as lies - its made interesting reading and I shall continue to sift and weigh!

Pauline

[Jez]

For the government to want a new Identity lock, soon after 911, gives the ole Egyptian 'eye', we want your eyes attitude! I also came across a bit of film footage on what looks like a new Auschwitz under construction in America ( I'm also sifting)? I came across that footage before I came across zeitgeist. Couldn't find the footage today seems like it's been removed? Anyway no ID card for me........we don't need spam!!!! Mung beans for 1 are far better for your well being especially from sprouts

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Jez

For the government to want a new Identity lock, soon after 911, gives the ole Egyptian 'eye', we want your eyes attitude! I also came across a bit of film footage on what looks like a new Auschwitz under construction in America ( I'm also sifting)? I came across that footage before I came across zeitgeist. Couldn't find the footage today seems like it's been removed? Anyway no ID card for me..

I'm sorry jez but this is errant conspiracy theory rubbish, a new auschwitz being built in america , come on get real

given that a prison is a prison is a prison - i would suspect that the footage you have seen is of.... a prison. What made the concentration camps so bad was what was done there, the construction itself was no different (give or take a few machine guns) to any other wired compound.

what i always have to ask about the consipracy theorists is why if they are really living in a nacsent police state they are able to freely expound such on the interweb without being "disapeared". I strongly doubt the sicherdenheist wold have let you get away with that had the inenet existed in 1930s germany

[tufftie]

Originally Posted by eeyore

I'm sorry jez but this is errant conspiracy theory rubbish, a new auschwitz being built in america , come on get real

given that a prison is a prison is a prison - i would suspect that the footage you have seen is of.... a prison. What made the concentration camps so bad was what was done there, the construction itself was no different (give or take a few machine guns) to any other wired compound.

what i always have to ask about the consipracy theorists is why if they are really living in a nacsent police state they are able to freely expound such on the interweb without being "disapeared". I strongly doubt the sicherdenheist wold have let you get away with that had the inenet existed in 1930s germany

Added tact eh Eeyore! The picture of it does look very much like auchwitz mearly a prison or not. Also if you look into the auchwitz's they were built and designed as killing houses - with built in gas chambers and cremation ovens. I watched many a factual programme on them with an old family friend whose family died in one.

As for internet and freedom - they may not have banned it or may not - there is a saying 'know your enemy'. So, the internet could be/is being bugged to gain information perhaps? Sorry i have a hangover - hope this bit makes sense?!

What I didn't realise, until Jez came back with news of it last night, was the terror attacks in Mumbai and the knock on effect it's having on India and Pakistan. We have no telly here..or radio - the reception is so bad there is little point and by and large it's not missed but.... Maybe if we stopped all form of media then we would stop these attacks..and yes i know that will never happen because we're human and as such nosey so and so's!

[Jez]

I'm quite concerned about goings on in Mumbai atm as I have a friend there and friends and family are very concerned as we can't get hold of him. Scott is just passing though on a short stop before he becomes a resident in Australia. I saw him 2 weeks back as he had been doing some work for us & I hope he's ok & can let us all know!

Back in 89 we got down to this:-

YouTube - You Must Learn-KRS 1

Before the 16th parallel was torn. This is for you Scott!

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by tufftie

Added tact eh Eeyore! The picture of it does look very much like auchwitz mearly a prison or not. Also if you look into the auchwitz's they were built and designed as killing houses - with built in gas chambers and cremation ovens. I watched many a factual programme on them with an old family friend whose family died in one.

added tact indeed - without it i might have been much more brutal in debunking this.... ahh... stuff.

I fully acknowledge the full horror of the holocaust and what was done at solibor, belsen, auschwitz, treblinka etc but to suggest that they are building new straffelagers in america is just too ridiculous for words (and to think that if they were they would be careless enough to let pics of them get on the internet is even more so).

My point was that there is a horrendous ammount of dodgy information on the internet and to take it at face value without critical analysis is unwise to say the least.

[Dan Salter]

Can someone fill me in what the main jyst of this Zeitgeist flick is about? im very curious but as im at college right now i cant go watch....

Im a bit behind with enviro films as i only just watched an inconveniant truth last week but must admit i thought it was great (although i suspect i shall now be told a million reasons why its all rubbish or something).

There is another one called 11th Hour which is something to do with Leonard de caterpillar blokey from films.....anyone seen that one?

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

Can someone fill me in what the main jyst of this Zeitgeist flick is about? im very curious but as im at college right now i cant go watch....

Im a bit behind with enviro films as i only just watched an inconveniant truth last week but must admit i thought it was great (although i suspect i shall now be told a million reasons why its all rubbish or something).

There is another one called 11th Hour which is something to do with Leonard de caterpillar blokey from films.....anyone seen that one?

Well I just watched the intro which has the appearance of a badly made music video and the general gist that war is a bad thing ( this is news ? ) and switched off after a minuite or two of the second one which was a deeply patronising explanation of what religion is..... I can't say that these inspire me to watch the other 11 and it is difficult to see what they add to the debate.

according to reviews on the web the general gist is that 1) Christianity is rehashed pagan sunworship used to control the masses, 2) that 9/11 etc are part of an international global conspiracy, and 3) that ever since WW1 the rich and powerful have been manufacturing wars and financial collapses in order to become more rich and powerful.

1) I'm not going to comment on as the site rules say dont do religion here, 2) is just plain silly, and 3) there may be a degree of truth in - however what any of these have to do with wildlife or indeed EH's original post is beyond me.