Chelsea Flower Show Bans Patio Heaters

[witham]

I heard that the Chelsea Flower Show organisers have banned any exibitors from using patio heaters as part of their displays and also banned their sale at the show as they want it to be enviromentally friendly, but what about Chimineas etc surely they also give off alot of fumes

[Tormentil]

An example of another stupid over reaction, if true.

[witham]

Originally Posted by Tormentil

An example of another stupid over reaction, if true.

said so on the telly so must be

I have since googled the story and it is indeed true and in many of the papers and some news web sites and Euro M.P's back a call that all patio heaters be banned, although someone pointed out that they produce less carbon if used correctly than a plasma screen telly so are they going to be banned as well.

[agrumpycow]

I'm sure the transportation of the displays from other parts of the country or indeed world is more detrimental to the environment than patio heaters.

[Seajay]

Why don't we ban breathing! That would cure everything
Quite frankly I am getting sick of listening to green, reactionary zealots! I await the return of the Inquisition as the way things are going that's only just round the corner.

Colin

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Seajay

Why don't we ban breathing! That would cure everything
Quite frankly I am getting sick of listening to green, reactionary zealots! I await the return of the Inquisition as the way things are going that's only just round the corner.

Colin

Its hardly reactionary or overzealous not to want people to unnecessarily try to heat the outdoors - which is essentially what a patio heater does. If you want to stand outdoors on a cold evening put another jumper on - its not exactly rocket science.

Personally i applaud chelsea for taking this step but would like to see them go further and insist plants are sourced locally and ban the use of peat based compost.

and in reply to withams point chimneas burn wood / charcoal which is carbon neutral (if locally sourced)

[pressld2]

I'm with Pete on this. I think that patio heaters are a truly ridiculous idea, probably the most inefficient devices it's possible to buy today and a complete waste of money.

The only thing I would add to that (and I think I said this on another thread about banning something) is that I'm opposed on principle to banning anything. If we don't want people to use patio heaters then we need to persuade them that we're right when we say that they "are a truly ridiculous idea, probably the most inefficient devices it's possible to buy today and a complete waste of money." If we can do that successfully then a ban will not be necessary.

Dave P.

[Kayleigh]

I agree on the patio heater ban.
But why have the Chelsea flower show in MAY. Where most of the plants have to be brought on in unnaturally heated conditions.
If they had the show in July the plants would grow on naturally without extra heat.

[Seajay]

Look if you really want to be green then turn off your central heating and sit in a coat, sell your car which is worse than any patio heater (which is not for heating the world but to provide warmth to people socialising on a chilly evening though anyone with any common-sense would move indoors) then preach about green issues and banning this and that.
You here constantly about carbon footprints, wasting resources etc and see knee-jerk measures introduced that often cause more problems than were there in the first place! All conceived no doubt by car drivers, although in all fairness some will cycle with a car following behind
What I am trying to say is worrying about completely insignificant, tiny green issues such as the Chelsea Flower Show and patio heaters is a joke! Global planning is necessary and the combustion engine the first to go. Nuclear energy is the answer and electrical engines.
Colin

[Kayleigh]

I think patio heaters a complete wast of time. Its nothing to do with being green. What is the point of heating the bloody air. I get cold so I put a fleece on in the garden. You wouldn't even feel the heat from one these things what's the point in that.

[shei111]

Originally Posted by Kayleigh

I think patio heaters a complete wast of time. Its nothing to do with being green. What is the point of heating the bloody air. I get cold so I put a fleece on in the garden. You wouldn't even feel the heat from one these things what's the point in that.

Go on kayleigh give it some sheila

[NickCantle]

LOL Shei, that's what I was thinking. Get in there Kayleigh

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Seajay

Look if you really want to be green then turn off your central heating and sit in a coat, sell your car which is worse than any patio heater (which is not for heating the world but to provide warmth to people socialising on a chilly evening though anyone with any common-sense would move indoors) then preach about green issues and banning this and that.
You here constantly about carbon footprints, wasting resources etc and see knee-jerk measures introduced that often cause more problems than were there in the first place! All conceived no doubt by car drivers, although in all fairness some will cycle with a car following behind
What I am trying to say is worrying about completely insignificant, tiny green issues such as the Chelsea Flower Show and patio heaters is a joke! Global planning is necessary and the combustion engine the first to go. Nuclear energy is the answer and electrical engines.
Colin

The big steps are comprised of lots of little ones - and the only way to make the necessary changes are for everyone to make those that they can - including organisers of such events as chelsea taking sensible steps such as banning or discouraging totally ludicrous products like patio heaters that do heat the entire outdoors because the heat generated doesnt stay on the patio where there are no walls to contain it.

I agree that we also need to drive less and drive more fuel efficient cars - and to find a non fossil fuel based power source - however doing so is not a licence to waste energy or generate co2 in other ways.

I agree that the actual difference that having no patio heaters at chelsea will make is tiny , but by imposing this restriction the organisers are highlighting and publicising the pointlessness and ungreeness of these contraptions which is needed to effect a public mindset change - e.g if you want to socialise outside put a coat on, dont try to heat the outdoors.

[Cheryl]

I've never understood the point of patio heaters - they've suddenly appeared from nowhere - I managed before by putting a jumper on and will continue to do so ..... when I get cold I go indoors and close the doors

[shei111]

Originally Posted by Cheryl

I've never understood the point of patio heaters - they've suddenly appeared from nowhere - I managed before by putting a jumper on and will continue to do so ..... when I get cold I go indoors and close the doors

Hello Cheryl What youve just said sums it all up , pointless heating outside if its cold go in, sheila

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Cheryl

I've never understood the point of patio heaters - they've suddenly appeared from nowhere - I managed before by putting a jumper on and will continue to do so ..... when I get cold I go indoors and close the doors

theyve always been arround but i think the sudden upsurge in them at pubs,resteraunts, workplaces etc is down to the smoking ban - as smokers cant go indoors the publicans (and employers) etc are trying to placate them by suplying a warm place to smoke outdoors, rather than the simple expedient of putting a coat or sweater on.

its tempting to say that if you want to be green you shouldnt smoke at all ( i wonder what the carbon footprint of the worlds cigarette smoke is ) but perhaps that can of worms might be best left unopened

[Meta menardi]

Originally Posted by eeyore

but perhaps that can of worms might be best left unopened

We can't afford to waste food like that. Open that can and get it down yer, you scaredy cat.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Meta menardi

We can't afford to waste food like that. Open that can and get it down yer, you scaredy cat.

only after ive warmed them on this 'ere patio heater

I actually have eaten earthworm - people say they taste like chicken, however this is rubbish - they taste like loam

[NickCantle]

lmao I don't know what it is tonight, but I'm laughing like a nutter

[Meta menardi]

Originally Posted by NickCantle

lmao I don't know what it is tonight, but I'm laughing like a nutter

There is one explanation, but I won't put it forward.

[Stewy]

Originally Posted by Meta menardi

There is one explanation, but I won't put it forward.

I will, it's all those mushrooms!

[mrs fish]

I'm pleased Chelsea have banned patio heaters , hip hip hooray

[annmaria]

ThinkI will just add my bit while most of you are still alseep and can not give me an ear bashing
I am with Whitham , Tormentil ,agrumpycow and Seajay........I and friends had a great evening sat near a heater........best barbecue for ages, you would have loved it Kayleigh........I think we run our selves down to much , we can do our bit to save the planet, but you know when volcanoes that have been extinct for thousands of years suddenly blow, I do not regret having a little heater on. We should keep things in perspective.