Concrete fly tipped in ancient woods.

[Kayleigh]

Concrete was fly tipped in ancient woods. This was on our local news tonight..This is just appalling. How can we stop this mindless fly tipping..

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[Billy Wobble Dagger]

Originally Posted by Kayleigh

Concrete was fly tipped in ancient woods. This was on our local news tonight..This is just appalling. How can we stop this mindless fly tipping..

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Unbelievable. Mindless selfish idiots. I've just finished reporting fly tipping in a local wood to our council, but it's nothing compared to this.
And people really think that there won't be a problem if house holders are charged on the amount of rubbish they have. Just watch the amount of fly tipping increase.
Back to the concrete though, I hope they will be able to remove some or all of it without causing to much damage.


BWD

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by Billy Wobble Dagger

Unbelievable. Mindless selfish idiots. I've just finished reporting fly tipping in a local wood to our council, but it's nothing compared to this.
And people really think that there won't be a problem if house holders are charged on the amount of rubbish they have. Just watch the amount of fly tipping increase.
Back to the concrete though, I hope they will be able to remove some or all of it without causing to much damage.


BWD

There were bluebells there. The council said it would cost thousands of pounds to clean the area up. I don't know if there will be lasting damage but I doubt those trees will survive that..

[naturelover]

thats just terrable,i cant believe what some idiots will do,have they no brains or what,i thought it was going to be bags of concrete not mixed,thats disgusting and they will never find the culprits,how it has laid i would say it was tipped out of the back of a lorry as its gone all smooth,dont look like it was shuvled out.

[hobble]

Shame they didn't fall in it and set.

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

Originally Posted by hobble

Shame they didn't fall in it and set.

No such luck, they're probably sitting at home smiling that they have made the news.
Returning to Kayleigh's original question of how can we stop this mindless fly tipping? I think the answer has to be harsh peneltys for those that are found to be behind these acts, and also education. Education of youngsters is difficult if Dad is tipping his unwanted concrete or TV or what ever behind a hedge, so Dad must be punished with fines and time spent clearing and cleaning the rubbish that he and others have dropped. Trouble is you have to catch people first.

BWD

[gfilmsuk]

I agree. The answer has to be stiffer penaltys. The article says fines up to £50,000 and or imprisonment. I think that anyone caught tipping, whether it be a fridge or ten-tonne load of concrete should be rewarded with the maximum.
If the driver of that lorry knew that if caught he was going to be fined 50 grand, have his vehicle crushed and be made to pay for the clean-up, he may of thought twice. Same goes for the fridge dumper, 50,000 no arguments.
These huge fines would enable local councils to implement new waste disposal systems to cope with 21st century waste, and of course get these mindless morons off the streets and out of the woods.

[demicav]

Selfish, brainless idiots. They should be whipped THEN made to clean up straight afterwards.

[Wild-Man]

I find this sort of action totally disgusting! I work in construction, and know that the fines associated with this can be extreme - problem is that prosecutions are few and far between!
Is the location of the tipping fairly remote? Wet concrete in the back of a wagon ( that has probably already been to it's 'legitimate' port of call ) can only be transported for a limited amount of time..?
I agree with others - make the fines even higher. Domestic waste or large scale commercial dumping - hit them all as hard as possible!!

Chris.

[GerryNick2]

My local waste disposal centre is getting more and more selective over what they will and won't accept. They will no longer accept stones, bricks, masonary or hardcore of any form which to my mind is just going to result in flytipping becoming a more common occurence.

Gerry

[Blackbrook Eye]

Possibly one of the problems is that, on the very few occasions that a person or persons is caught and taken to court and eventually fined, it is treated as a criminal offense and the fine goes to central government, If the amount of the fine was given to the local authority where the offense was commited, it would be a good incentive to take action on a local level, the amount of fly tipping that occurs around my area would produce sufficient income to fund a specialist team of enforcers and the necessary equipment to carry out the work, providing the courts did there part properly. The main problem is, that when caught and fined, the culprits do not have sufficient funds to pay the fines and are therefore let off with a reprimand. In my area there is a public amenity tip, which is easier to get to than the places that fly tipping occur, however if you have a van, or a car with a trailor, a permit is necessary before you can use the facility, this is too much trouble to obtain, and it is therefore easier to find a grass verge or somewhere else to tip the odd pile of rubbish, also it is only open at specific times, which leads to rubbish being tipped outside the gate. If local authorities said, if you dont want it, tip it here, at least it would all be in one place rather than scattered indiscriminately around the countryside.

[Pat]

About 3 years ago while walking dogs I found a big pile of rubbish near our local wood, it looked as though someone had ripped out a kitchen there was a lot of rubble and some fencing and some small bushes,anyway looking through it all I found a plastic bag full of rubble and saw a piece of paper sticking out, I took it out and found it was a job sheet detailing work done by a very reputable local firm for the council. I rang the enviromental dept of the council and they came up and photographed it and it ended up with the firm getting a £6000 fine and of course loosing all council work in the future. If anyone does see anything dumped it's worth having a look for evidence before ringing the authorities to get it removed and always ring the enviromental health dept first.

[coasty]

I would say that looking at the quantity and quality of the concrete it has been discharged from a ready mix lorry. When concrete is in a ready mix wagon it is kept moving and sometimes its treated with retarders to stop it setting. If the wagon cant discharge within a certain time then it sets within the wagon and is obviousley a very expensive mistake as the mixer on the back often has to be scrapped.

Ready mix wagons will sometimes dishcharge at the road side if this happens as its cheaper to pay clean up costs than for a new mixer drum,,,Sadly though this is taking things to a new low. Hope that they find the culprits..

[ron1863]

Originally Posted by Kayleigh

Concrete was fly tipped in ancient woods. This was on our local news tonight..This is just appalling. How can we stop this mindless fly tipping..

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Hi Kayleigh, I don't think that incident was fly tipping but a one off from a desperate driver, but he should have found somewhere appropriate to dump it.
I know what you mean about fly tipping. People don't want to pay to get rubbish uplifted by their local council so they dump it anywhere, I know, because there is a little potholed lane near me that is constantly used by flytippers to dump household rubbish in a small wood. The sad part is that there is a refuse processing site just a few miles away that takes all sorts of rubbish.

[Coley]

This sort of thing really upsets me. I went to the Rufus stone in the New Forest last weekend. Saw a pile of rubbish that must have come from a cable company from what I could tell. I had a look through and found, among other house hold type rubbish, a casset tape. If I was a detective I would probably be able to search out a cable company truck that might operate in the area and then find the one with a tape player. How many of those could be around?

[epops]

Originally Posted by Kayleigh

Concrete was fly tipped in ancient woods. This was on our local news tonight..This is just appalling. How can we stop this mindless fly tipping..

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theres been aspate of fly tipping round our way latley mainley asbestos

[NickCantle]

That's never good is it Matt

[demicav]

Originally Posted by epops

theres been aspate of fly tipping round our way latley mainley asbestos

That's terrible. I do hope it was cleaned up.

[Jez]

Bring back the stocks and lets set rip on these No brainers.........It might make them sprout a thought?

[mrs fish]

It is a serious problem that is getting worse by the day

Of course the councils are busy with parking tickets they don't care alot about something that is not going to raise money

My local nature reserve/park is in a disgusting state

Two years ago the council done some work outside my home and they left their cones, they got thrown in the ditch, I complained and asked for the cones to be removed , two years on there is still a cone there This is an area where I saw the Water Voles

[epops]

Originally Posted by demicav

That's terrible. I do hope it was cleaned up.

it was cleaned up but it cost a friend of mine £3000 to have it cleared

[Bwrack]

Some of the things that get fly- tipped take ones breath away...where my son used to live in
Hither Green, South East London he, had a section of the channelised River Quaggy running at the end of his garden, it was very shallow, he discovered about a hundred and fifty
used tyres dumped in it...now that would take some dumping..and thats got to be some sort of dealer doing the tipping..

[Lance Morgan]

Driving along a country lane near my home.... there neatly placed at the side of the road a three piece suite complete with covers. The mind set of fly tippers??
They can be bothered to load it all on a lorry and then drive sometimes miles i would imagine to dump it in the countryside instead of the council tip!!
Reminds me of the dog owners who bag up the dog poop and then throw the bag in the hedge. Completely feckless

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by Lance Morgan

Driving along a country lane near my home.... there neatly placed at the side of the road a th