HHO Gas Cars

[Dave5xe]

Originally Posted by Doggle Avaddit

Hi David,

if you want an even more eco friendly idea, ditch the car altogether and fit an alternator and a motor onto your pushbike. As you pedal, the alternator powers the motor, and you get free, effortless biking for ever! Its great!

I love your idea but I don't have a bike!

[Dave5xe]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

<sigh> Another snake oil salesman!



Common water is _always_ two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen - whether it be in its solid phase (ice), liquid phase (water) or gaseous phase (steam).

To separate it into hydrogen and oxygen, water needs to be dissociated, which (and here's the rub) requires power - at least as much as will be gained by recombining (burning) them (I say at least as much to account for losses).

Still, don't let scientific facts get in the way of your experiments. And keep posting, cranks are always entertaining! ;^)

Jim

It is true that one unit of energy in equals one unit of energy out, less friction but as the electric it is being generated anyway it is almost free. I also know that there is no such thing as a free lunch but the extra strain on the alternator is so small in terms of extra fuel used that it is still almost free.

[Doggle Avaddit]

Originally Posted by Dave5xe

It is true that one unit of energy in equals one unit of energy out, less friction but as the electric it is being generated anyway it is almost free. I also know that there is no such thing as a free lunch but the extra strain on the alternator is so small in terms of extra fuel used that it is still almost free.

David, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Physics. The electricity generated is not generated for free.

Your HoHo cell requires 20 amps to operate. That is 240 Watts. That means it requires 240 Watts of input to output less than 240 Watts in the form of Hydrogen. The 240 Watts of input comes from burning more fuel. It means your car is now less efficient than it was before you tried to mess with it.

This really isn't rocket science, it is primary school mathematics.

[Dave5xe]

Hi Jim, it is in fact rocket science, the same science that is used to put the space shuttle into orbit. If you take the trouble to read my post you will see that I make no claims regarding any extra MPG but I do claim to put out less pollutants and gain extra power in the form of engine torque. Cheap at the price,
kind regards from my Primary school teachers of over half a century ago,
David

[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by Dave5xe

I do claim to put out less pollutants and gain extra power in the form of engine torque.

If you claim that you gain more power from the fuel by burning it more efficiently, fair enough. But if you claim that you're extracting energy from the water, that isn't just latent heat, then it isn't science, it's alchemy!

Jim

[Doggle Avaddit]

Originally Posted by Dave5xe

Hi Jim, it is in fact rocket science, the same science that is used to put the space shuttle into orbit. If you take the trouble to read my post you will see that I make no claims regarding any extra MPG but I do claim to put out less pollutants and gain extra power in the form of engine torque. Cheap at the price,
kind regards from my Primary school teachers of over half a century ago,
David

Extra torque does not equate to extra power. Torque is a measure of force, nothing to do with power. Diesel engines have much higher torque at lower revs compared with petrol engines. They are not consequently more powerful.


Less pollutants, my bottom.
You are burning more fuel to produce the Hydrogen, for the same (actually less) net result, thus producing more pollutants overall.


You really do have a fundamental misunderstanding of Physics. Honestly.

[Dave5xe]

Well done Jim, more power from the efficient use of the fuel, best to burn it rather than pump most of it into the air that we all breathe. The oxygen also plays a big part creating a clean burn and is the most important part of the system. The hydrogen plays a smaller part but is still a potent fuel. I do not get any extra miles per gallon but have no doubt that this can be achieved if desired. Please continue with this debate as many interested would-be HHo users may be watching,
from David & Harry Potters alchemist.

[Doggle Avaddit]

Originally Posted by Dave5xe

Well done Jim, more power from the efficient use of the fuel, best to burn it rather than pump most of it into the air that we all breathe. The oxygen also plays a big part creating a clean burn and is the most important part of the system. The hydrogen plays a smaller part but is still a potent fuel. I do not get any extra miles per gallon but have no doubt that this can be achieved if desired. Please continue with this debate as many interested would-be HHo users may be watching,
from David & Harry Potters alchemist.

I don't think I will be continuing this, you are not making a great deal of sense. Perhaps you should take your Trolling elsewhere.

If you state something as fact you need to be able to back it up with some kind of evidence. Clearly, you can't.

[Dave5xe]

O.k, thanks, I will just have to settle for more torque then.

Adding oxygen and hydrogen does not give a cleaner and more efficient burn, (if you say so) but I will have to stay with the read out from the MOT stations gas analyser. It shows a large drop in the pollutants but to be truthful it also shows a small increase in the CO2,
Regards David

[Dave5xe]

I will be happy to supply evidence, what evidence would you like? However if you still do not wish to continue this debate, it's Ok by me,
regards David