HHO Gas Cars

[Meta menardi]

This thread is like eating a pound of Licquorice Allsorts. You know it is going to end with a lot of waste, but you just keep going back for more.

[Jim Ford]

Quite entertaining really!

I like the way 'gonrod' gives a page of carefully explained reasoning as to why it defies all known laws of physics, only to be answered to the effect 'But my mate can do it 'cos he's clever!'

Jim

[gonrod]

Originally Posted by eeyore

when i was a contractor we had a lpg converted landrover 130 for the reasons you mention - however we did uncover another rather big disadvantage. Not every garage sells LPG particularly out in the sticks so if you run out you can wind up having to run your engine on petrol (lpg conversions cant be applied to diesel engines) and the mpg you get from a V6 landrover run on petrol sucks quite badly (particularly off road).

I know, but they are getting more common, at least around here. I think people are put off mainly by the cost of conversion which can be expensive to have done. In reality though the conversion is not a difficult job involving fitting a gas jet to your air intake. The rest comes to fitting the tank, which if push comes to shove can go in the boot, a bit of plumbing between the tank and jet, plus some wiring for the controller.

It might take a little time but there's nothing actually difficult to do, and well within the capacity of your average home mechanic. The vehicle does not even need to be taken off the road for most of this, the only point at which the engine would not run is when you actually fit the jet. On some vehicles even that's a simple bolt-on.

For some vehicles the price of a kit is around the £150 mark, which is three or four tankfulls, and with LPG running at between half and two-thirds of the price of petrol you could have saved that in a month or two. Of course that's assuming you have easy acess to LPG, but the more people use it the more stations will sell it. (I beleive there's more profit in it too. Not so much going to the tax-man etc.)

Of course if you can't fit a radio..... But then you would not be contemplating fitting an HHO system either, which from all reports involves very much the same sort of work to fit.

[gonrod]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

Yeahbut, 'fuelwise' says with reference to running cars on water:

"It works, I have run 2 vans and 2 cars for two years!"

Perhaps his secret is that instead of electrolysing water into hydrogen and oxygen, he electrolyses it into hydrogen and dephlogistonated air!

Jim

He might mean that each vehicle only ran for two years after fitting the device, which could well be the case.

[Dave5xe]

HHO some answers for you Wild About Britain members!

Can you run a car on water alone?
The simple answer is no.

Can you get more miles per gallon, more power and make a lot less pollution? The simple answer is yes.

When water is turned into gas it becomes two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Hydrogen is a very explosive gas, much more explosive than petrol giving more power/torque at low revs.

Oxygen gives a much better burn that can dramatically reduces the pollution in the form of wasted or unburned fuel.

Both the hydrogen and the oxygen turn back into water/steam after it has been used giving both the engine and exhaust a good wash out.

The two small one litre HHo units that I fitted to my old diesel van got rid of the horrible black exhaust smoke and made it possible for me to use fith gear at only 30 mph without it juddering.

An even smaller one litre system fitted to my 62 classic car not only supplied all the above but is also a hit gadget at the classics shows.

To get a big increase in fuel saving is not quite so easy. When HHo is running, the oxygen sensor on my van's exhaust detects more oxygen (less pollution) and increases the diesel injected to compensate, so I would need to knobble the sensor to get more mpg. As I am happy with just the the extra torque and less pollution, I have not yet attempted this upgrade.
On my classic car's petrol engine, I would need to reduce the jet size or lean off the mixture but as above I am also content with it the way it is.

A basic small HHo setup reqires a one litre air tight bottle (I use a poly jar) with a cathode and anode (posh names for two stainless steel plates or rods) connected to a 12volt supply. A rubber tube from the jar to the vehicles air intake, an anti flash valve (I use an aquarium air stone) and a pressure relief valve (I use a home brew valve). It should then be tweaked (using more or less baking powder) until it uses about 20amps. It will then put out about half a litre of gas per minute.

Only use distilled water as anything else can create unwanted gases such as chlorine.

Only use baking powder as an electrolite for the same reasons.

Only use an ignition-supplied 12volts. A dash mounted neon on/off switch is also a good idea, as it allows you to start the system after the engine is running (reduces the chance of flasback) and to stop it before the engine has stopped (uses up any left over gas).

Only ever use a push-fit on any of the rubber hoses as they will release the pressure quickly in the event of a flash back.

One litre of distilled water makes one thousand eight hundred litres of gas so there is no need to top it up very often.

I have read stories about people who run engines on water alone but even though I believe that it is possible I dont see how?

Just using HHo to help save the planet from pollution seems to be a good enough reason to use HHo without even trying to get the extra mpg.

I hope that my input has answered some of the many questions addressed in this forum,

Kind regards to you all, David

[Meta menardi]

Next, how to pick yourself up whilst standing in a bucket.

[Doggle Avaddit]

Hi David,

if you want an even more eco friendly idea, ditch the car altogether and fit an alternator and a motor onto your pushbike. As you pedal, the alternator powers the motor, and you get free, effortless biking for ever! Its great!

[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by Dave5xe

HHO some answers for you Wild About Britain members!

<sigh> Another snake oil salesman!

When water is turned into gas it becomes two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Common water is _always_ two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen - whether it be in its solid phase (ice), liquid phase (water) or gaseous phase (steam).

To separate it into hydrogen and oxygen, water needs to be dissociated, which (and here's the rub) requires power - at least as much as will be gained by recombining (burning) them (I say at least as much to account for losses).

Still, don't let scientific facts get in the way of your experiments. And keep posting, cranks are always entertaining! ;^)

Jim

[Meta menardi]

Originally Posted by Doggle Avaddit

Hi David,

if you want an even more eco friendly idea, ditch the car altogether and fit an alternator and a motor onto your pushbike. As you pedal, the alternator powers the motor, and you get free, effortless biking for ever! Its great!

But, surely, you will just get faster and faster until you go faster than the speed of light? Then you will travel back in time, and surprise surprise, you will be miles away from where you want to go. Hope that is clear.

[Doggle Avaddit]

Originally Posted by Meta menardi

But, surely, you will just get faster and faster until you go faster than the speed of light? Then you will travel back in time, and surprise surprise, you will be miles away from where you want to go. Hope that is clear.

Oh yeah.


Well maybe you could take a stack of control rods with you and throw one into the spokes from time to time.