Water Powered Cars & Planes

[gfilmsuk]

''Thousands of successful water-conversions around the world are proof that this technology works and will soon catch on! Some industry insiders say its just a matter of time before this water-burning technology will be standard in new automobiles. One expert estimates most cars will be using this technology by 2012'' Web Quote.

I get sick and tired with hearing about all these new fangled alternative fuels. Waste cooking oil, sugar-beet fuel, all of which are designed to make somone a fat profit, and the list goes on and on. I read on the net the other day that British farmers are now growing more bio fuels than they are food because the profits are better.
We already have a free fuel on this planet, it's called water.
Water fueled engines have been around for years, and work, if you don't believe me just Google 'water powered cars'.
Gordon Brown would have done better to invest the 50M he's giving to China to help them combat global warming, in developing for us all a free fuel. Or am I just being very naive in thinking he has the countries best interests at heart?
Forums are full of people whingeing and whining about this that and the other but very few are prepared to do anything about it instead they put their faith and trust in people like Gordon Brown, and then moan about it!
I propose we as a nation make a stand against rising fuel prices and seek water as a natural/alternative fuel, how? By doing nothing. That's right, nothing. Next Monday everyone in the country stay at home, bring the land to a standstill and you don't even have to walk to London, you can do it from the comfort of your own warm and dry living room.
Are we prpared to do it? I doubt it, because we are a nation of moaning talkers, and not doers. This debate about fuel costs and alternative fuels will still be going on this time next year amidst even higher fuel costs.

Dave

[Garden Carpet]

Out of interest Dave, do you have a water fueled car.. or water fueled anything? If so..it would be interesting to know where and how you acquired it? How freely available is it?
Many thanks
Jaki & henrya

[eeyore]

there is only one teeny weeny tiny flaw with this plan ..... its total and utter oooooooo

Yes water can be divided into hydrogen and oxygen and the hydrogen then burnt this much is true - however simple physics tells us that the energy that has to be applied to seperate the H2 from the O would be equal to that generated when the two are combined.

and thats assuming that you get 100% efficiency in both directions which you dont.

so basically you take your energy (normally as electricity) apply it inefficiently to generate hydrogen (wasting arround 25%) and then you fuel the car with hydrogen - a highly explosive and compustible gas (remember the hindenburg anyone)- also inefficiently - losing arround another 25% of the initial energy budget and shortening the life of your engine, yeah sure wilbur

wouldnt it make more sense to just use the electricity to run the motor at low speeds- as is done with hybrid models ???

Fuel cell technology does have its place - for example in storing energy generated from variable alternative sources , but the car sure as heck isnt it.

[gfilmsuk]

Fantastic effort to baffle with science, but the proof of the pudding...
There are over 70,000 web-sites discussing water powered cars plus hundreds and hundreds of videos. There are over 2 million sites dealing with converting water to power. If the sytem is flawed, then why are there so many cars already driving round the world powered by water? If all these water powered vehicles suffered from serious flaws, as you suggest, then this doesn't make sense.
The problem with water power is not will it work or not as it's already been proven without doubt, the problem is who stands to make any money from it, certainly not the oil companies.
Dave

[Ukwildlifeo]

Originally Posted by gfilmsuk

Fantastic effort to baffle with science, but the proof of the pudding...
There are over 70,000 web-sites discussing water powered cars plus hundreds and hundreds of videos. There are over 2 million sites dealing with converting water to power. If the sytem is flawed, then why are there so many cars already driving round the world powered by water? If all these water powered vehicles suffered from serious flaws, as you suggest, then this doesn't make sense.
The problem with water power is not will it work or not as it's already been proven without doubt, the problem is who stands to make any money from it, certainly not the oil companies.
Dave

When you have to use fossil fuels to convert the water into hydrogen its kind of pointless...

Plus Id hardly call what Eeyore said and attempt to 'baffle with science' mearly an explanation of WHY it is flawed. Hydrogen cars are prototypes and toys for the eccentric until we develop a way of extracting hydrogen efficiently

[Bub-les]

I came across this a while ago

Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!

what do you think

[gfilmsuk]

In 1805, Swiss inventor Isaac de Rivaz was the first to make a car powered by an internal combustion engine. But what did the engine use as fuel, since gasoline wasn't invented till the 1870s? Amazingly, the first ICE automobile ran on the HYDROGEN extracted from WATER!

That's right, something that we can't seem to do now was done on a wooden-bodied car just five years after two British scientists discovered how to break up water using electric current! Is it because rainwater is free?
Surely 200 years of technological advancement has given us the ability to improve on something done so long ago!
You can read more here at; Water Car Inventors
Then tell everyone it's all bunkum.
Dave

[m1.carson]

Hi,

Just read the site and am not terribly impressed, water for fuel maybe, but bible bashing at the end is a no-no, as he say's "a fruitcake will answer the phone".

Battery power seems to be the way it's going, 150mph capable cars with only a two hour charge, mobile phone/laptop batteries that you fill with water, etc.

People see conspiricies everywhere, look at the everlasting lightbulb .

Max.

[Paul mabbott]

Quite so.
Why not - Ben Goldacre: Free energy? It doesn't measure up | Comment is free | The Guardian
Where would the brainless be without the web ....

Originally Posted by eeyore

there is only one teeny weeny tiny flaw with this plan ..... its total and utter oooooooo

Yes water can be divided into hydrogen and oxygen and the hydrogen then burnt this much is true - however simple physics tells us that the energy that has to be applied to seperate the H2 from the O would be equal to that generated when the two are combined.

and thats assuming that you get 100% efficiency in both directions which you dont.

so basically you take your energy (normally as electricity) apply it inefficiently to generate hydrogen (wasting arround 25%) and then you fuel the car with hydrogen - a highly explosive and compustible gas (remember the hindenburg anyone)- also inefficiently - losing arround another 25% of the initial energy budget and shortening the life of your engine, yeah sure wilbur

wouldnt it make more sense to just use the electricity to run the motor at low speeds- as is done with hybrid models ???

Fuel cell technology does have its place - for example in storing energy generated from variable alternative sources , but the car sure as heck isnt it.

[Paul mabbott]

Okay, it's all bunkum.

Originally Posted by gfilmsuk

In 1805, Swiss inventor Isaac de Rivaz was the first to make a car powered by an internal combustion engine. But what did the engine use as fuel, since gasoline wasn't invented till the 1870s? Amazingly, the first ICE automobile ran on the HYDROGEN extracted from WATER!

That's right, something that we can't seem to do now was done on a wooden-bodied car just five years after two British scientists discovered how to break up water using electric current! Is it because rainwater is free?
Surely 200 years of technological advancement has given us the ability to improve on something done so long ago!
You can read more here at; Water Car Inventors
Then tell everyone it's all bunkum.
Dave

[m1.carson]

Hi Paul,

Don't beat around the bush, say what you really mean.

Max.

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by Bub-les

I came across this a while ago

Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!

what do you think

.. and there's this woman in Nigeria who will make me rich if I send here a couple of thousand pounds ...

[Bub-les]

Fair enough must admit I thought it a hoax at the time
Would be nice if it were true though but I should imagine its much much easier / probable to have sole winning ticket in the lottery!
As they say "a fool and his money are soon parted"!

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by eeyore

there is only one teeny weeny tiny flaw with this plan ..... its total and utter oooooooo

Yes water can be divided into hydrogen and oxygen and the hydrogen then burnt this much is true - however simple physics tells us that the energy that has to be applied to seperate the H2 from the O would be equal to that generated when the two are combined.

and thats assuming that you get 100% efficiency in both directions which you dont.

so basically you take your energy (normally as electricity) apply it inefficiently to generate hydrogen (wasting arround 25%) and then you fuel the car with hydrogen - a highly explosive and compustible gas (remember the hindenburg anyone)- also inefficiently - losing arround another 25% of the initial energy budget and shortening the life of your engine, yeah sure wilbur

wouldnt it make more sense to just use the electricity to run the motor at low speeds- as is done with hybrid models ???

Fuel cell technology does have its place - for example in storing energy generated from variable alternative sources , but the car sure as heck isnt it.

Actually there are very promising ideas coming through. I read a fascinating article in new scientist about the whole thing though i have now lost it which is really annoying because it was a really good piece - basically it involves extracting the hydrogen from the water in the car as its moving along - waste product oxygen I think! - very little would be stored on board the car and I think its a solvent used as part of the process - dammit I can't remember the details but basically I read the whole thing and understood it all and was only left with a worry as to what to do with the spent solvent as it needs replacing from time to time - this wasn't detailed at all in the article but it doesn't mean its a problem - it just needs to be addressed.

The problems that the article highlighted was that the project need more work to become financially viable on a domestic scale- this is a problem associated with most truly new fuel sources because it involves changing absolutely everything! from cars to fuelling stations to supplies to logistics it will be very expensive to start off.

but it is not an impossibility

but then again I was impressed ideas relating to the potential for algae based diesel fulled only by CO2 and sunlight and have been waiting for ages for them to start using it on a widescale - once again I think it comes down to financial viability......

[glsammy]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

.. and there's this woman in Nigeria who will make me rich if I send here a couple of thousand pounds ...

Hey, that's not the same one I'm sending my couple of grand to is it?

[Meta menardi]

Originally Posted by glsammy

Hey, that's not the same one I'm sending my couple of grand to is it?

She said I was the only person she could trust! Oh well, better follow up that lottery win, though I don't remember buying a ticket.

[glsammy]

Originally Posted by Meta menardi

She said I was the only person she could trust! Oh well, better follow up that lottery win, though I don't remember buying a ticket.

That harlot has lost all respect from me! I'll send that two grand to that nice lens seller instead.

Same here Paul. I'm always moaning about not winning, but I haven't bought a ticket in the last two years.

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by glsammy

Hey, that's not the same one I'm sending my couple of grand to is it?

Agnes.avnohope@cashpreferred.com?
If she doesn't come through I'll sell you my copy of 'How to win friends, influence people, become seriously rich and live a peaceful life.' - for a consideration (plus p&p).

[glsammy]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Agnes.avnohope@cashpreferred.com?
If she doesn't come through I'll sell you my copy of 'How to win friends, influence people, become seriously rich and live a peaceful life.' - for a consideration (plus p&p).

Mine was very sad, her poor father died in France, in mysterious circumstances. She wants to share 17 million dollars with me.I was greatly insulted, I'm not that cheap!

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by glsammy

Mine was very sad, her poor father died in France, in mysterious circumstances. She wants to share 17 million dollars with me.I was greatly insulted, I'm not that cheap!

Well you're a Knight G.C. ..... etc. Some of us come cheaper! What was the address?

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Okay, it's all bunkum.

Dam I was going to say that

to be fair its not bunkum to say that a car can be run on hydrogen , but what our "freind" is overlooking is the energy budget necessary to slplit the water molecule in the first place - this wasnt a problem in the 1805 (well not the same kind of problem anyway) - tho in fact the hydrogen for that car probably wasnt derived from water at all.

however today while we could potentially run cars on hydrogen it won t do anything for the global warmin situation as we would need to use electricity to generate the hydrogen from water.

of course as gfilmsuk belives global warming is a scam anyway , one has to wonder why he is eager to promote the water powered car as a solution

[gfilmsuk]

''however today while we could potentially run cars on hydrogen''
Potenially? Are you serious?

Why not share with everyone what you know then about hydrogen powered cars. BMW might be interested, although I doubt you could tell them anything. They recently launched the The BMW Hydrogen 7 which is powered by a 260 hp twelve-cylinder engine and accelerates from 0-62.1 mph in 9.5 seconds. Top speed is limited electronically to 143 mph. What a shame you didn't share your knowledge with then first, 'friend'.