Pupa?

[jeny]

Hi again, can someone identify these for me?

There are 2 black pupa's inside this leaf, the ermine caterpillar from my other thread was chomping on the leaf which is why they are visible.

[Dogghound]

Buff ermine have dark red pupa, white ermine have very dark red, almost black pupa. The caterpillar in your other thread is definately buff. These pupa arnt typical of buff ermine. Can you get a photo of the whole pupa, and a magnified shot of its abdominal end (pointed end)?

[jeny]

Sorry, I think this is the best i can do without removing them from the web/leaf (?)