"Children will never again see snow"

[STYRBJORN]

It's a very dodgy fitness routine. Sells for a lot of money, if you are daft enough. Scam horizon gets closer . . .

[sawire]

Odin's pump is a submerged ice shelf in the arctic ocean that freezes and melts every year. This action has an effect on the deep water currents that drive the gulf stream, the ice acts as a pump, hence the name. The ice shelf has failed to materialize for 2 out of the past 5 years. If the pump doesn't work properly then neither eventually will the gulf stream.

[STYRBJORN]

Thanks for that. I read some 4 years ago that the volume of flow through the Gulf Stream Drift is down by ~40%. Sea bed cores suggest that the drift has "switched off" several times in the past, and that when it does so it happens in a geologically trivial time. This may be a good time to invest in Sno-Kat shares . . .

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by Richard G.

Ummm, actually yes they are, prediction = guess, no disputing that

Not in my dictionaries.
predict from Latin praedicere: to declare beforehand, to foretell.
guess: to hit upon, or attempt to hit upon, a correct solution, without any real data; to express and opinion without any real knowledge; etc..
Scientific predictions are based accumulated knowledge, tested theories and statistical/mathematical analysis, not guesswork.

......... Others may equally think that the alleged falsification and established reluctance to share this data with scientists holding opposing views weakens their predictions and merely confirms their own misgivings. And so we return to educated guesswork…

My stress - there has been no falsifial of data. The people who want the data are seldom scientists and certainly, from their side, the oil companies and such never release their own real data. It may have been bad pr to keep stuff away from the deniers but quite understandable given their tendency to distort and lie ....

[The Woodman]

Originally Posted by STYRBJORN

Thanks for that. I read some 4 years ago that the volume of flow through the Gulf Stream Drift is down by ~40%. Sea bed cores suggest that the drift has "switched off" several times in the past, and that when it does so it happens in a geologically trivial time. This may be a good time to invest in Sno-Kat shares . . .

It's also currently 100 miles to the west apparently.

[STYRBJORN]

To the West of what?

[The Woodman]

Good point - to the west of the average route off the British Isles.

Source - comment from the Freshwater Biological Association last week regarding elver migration.

[Digit]

I have seen this 'prediction' more times than I care to count, yet i still await an explanation as to how this can happen.
The GS arises in the Gulf of Mexico, the water warms due to solar energy, as a result it expands untill it stands higher than the surrounding Atlantic waters, its only escape route is out into the Atlantic as it is now doing what water does, flows downhill!
Once into the Atlantic geography, geology, wind, gravity and the Coriolis effect send it north and east.
Perhaps someone would enlighten me as to how this can 'switch off?'

Roy.

[STYRBJORN]

Originally Posted by Digit

a result it expands untill it stands higher than the surrounding Atlantic waters, its only escape route is out into the Atlantic as it is now doing what water does, flows downhill!
Roy.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to how water expands?

[Digit]

No I wouldn't, I will simply suggest that that is the part of the argument made by 'warmists' for 'sea level rises'.
You can't have it both ways.

Roy.