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12-01-2010, 03:47 PM
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| | | Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. Here are a few facts about the third runway at Heathrow.
Heathrow is already Europe's largest airport.Adding a third runway will mean a 50 per cent increase in flight numbers and operating at full capacity the airport will become the uk's single largest source of CO2.
A third runway would mean we will miss our climate change targets. The Government is now commited to delivering 80 per cent emissions cuts by 2050. Having more air travel will take up the UK's carbon budget on its own.
Almost a quarter of flights are to destinations less than 500 KM away.
If you would like to help to stop the third runway you can do by joining the Airplot. This is a plot of land that has been purchased right in the middle of the proposed third runway site and we as people who do not want a third runway on this site can become beneficial owners.
To join the airplot you can text AIRPLOT to 64118
or visit AIRPLOT! presented by Greenpeace UK
At the moment i think there are more than 80,000 people who have become beneficial owners, including tv and film personalities like Emma Thompson, Richard Briers and Alistair McGowan. The target is 100,000 or more so the more people who join the more stronger we get.
Help to cut the uk's CO2 emissions and also prevent climate change that could affect all of the people of the UK and all of its wildlife too.
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12-01-2010, 04:14 PM
|  | Knight Grand Cross of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: i'm right here
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| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. Quote:
Originally Posted by Eco-Logical A third runway would mean we will miss our climate change targets. The Government is now commited to delivering 80 per cent emissions cuts by 2050. Having more air travel will take up the UK's carbon budget on its own. | dont get me wrong as i believe in climate change and in cutting carbon emmisions etc but that statement is a little hard to believe.
air travel only makes up arround 4% of anthropogenically derived C02
plus if the new runway will increase heathrows traffic by 50% , you are saying that heathrow currently has double the uks carbon budget , which it clearly doesnt.
more air travel is a bad thing , and i'm opposed to the third runway but alarmist statements like that dont do a lot to further the cause
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12-01-2010, 04:59 PM
|  | Knight Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Romford, Essex
Posts: 5,355
| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. While Id rather there was less air travel in terms of emissions, if the extra air travel has to go somewhere I'd rather it was there, than any of the other airports or other sites suggested like Cliff, Lydd or in the middle of the Thames where it would do a lot of ecological damage. In my opinon better to keep the damage in one place and Heathrow has already got he best transport links etc to London and most of the country. | 
13-01-2010, 10:51 AM
| | New Member | | Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 14
| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. The facts are correct when it comes to Heathrow, although i may have made a mistake with the numbers, it is around 58,000 beneficial owners not as stated above, my appologies, visit the sites and find out more but most importantly HELP to stop the third runway to help safeguard future generations of humans and wildlife.
Eco. | 
13-01-2010, 11:36 AM
| | Active Member | | Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 29
| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. I am not at all in favour of the runway, eco-logical.
I was wondering however, how would the purchace of the land stop the building of the runway, if that is the idea?
I am not at all being cynical, but wouldn't the land just be compulsory purchaced prior to developement? | 
13-01-2010, 12:50 PM
|  | Officer of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: In a tent but would prefer a camper van
Posts: 862
| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. I don't understand people trying to stop something, that will eventually happen anyway? | 
14-01-2010, 05:53 PM
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| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. [quote=eeyore;583917]dont get me wrong as i believe in climate change and in cutting carbon emmisions etc but that statement is a little hard to believe.
air travel only makes up arround 4% of anthropogenically derived C02
If your saying what i think your saying, then thats true as shipping is the biggest co2 offender, What is anthropogenically,? apart from a mouthfull and something one would say after eating a dictionary 4 breakfast, | 
14-01-2010, 08:07 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jun 2008
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| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. Quote:
Originally Posted by captain nodge What is anthropogenically,? , | attributed to humans ie anthropogenic causes of climate change would be those factors resulting from human activities rather than 'natural' causes. | 
15-01-2010, 10:24 AM
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| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. By purchasing the land Greenpeace become the owners and do not have to sell even by compulsary purchase, they would take it to court and plead their case continually, i understand that Mr cameron has said if elected there would not be a third runway?
The facts and figures regarding the Co2 emissions are correct, please take some time to visit the relevent sites and help to prevent the third runway, tell friends and familly and ask them to sign up too, Co2 emissions will affect everybody's relations in the future through global warming, the parts per million of emissions for the uk has been rising year on year and air travel and coal fired power stations are the worse emitters of Co2 emissions, lets reduce the emissions and give a future to man, woman, child and wildlife too.
Eco. | 
15-01-2010, 10:56 AM
|  | Member of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Berks/South Oxon
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| | | Re: Help Stop Heathrow Third Runway. I'm neither for nor massively against the 3rd runway but in general I think we should minimize our pollution levels. However, greater reliance on fast communication and travel is a human trend that will be very difficult to break without putting UK businesses at a disadvantage on the world stage. I have always favoured an expansion of any Midlands airport, rather than Heathrow but That said, I'd rather we have a 3rd runway at Heathrow than build a new airport on a brownfield site somewhere else.
But this 'fact' that we will miss our 2050 CO2 targets based only on a 3rd runway at Heathrow seems a joke. If we miss our targets in 2050 (which is way too far ahead to make any realistic forecast, IMO) then it will be because we failed to reduce the emissions caused by much larger factors, such as land-based transport, electricity generation and natural-gas usage. Insulate more homes, improve motor-vehicle efficiency, and increase non-CO2-polluting power generation (wind, wave/tidal and nuclear) and the 4% used by air travel will seem a drop in the ocean.
IMO, the constant attacks on air travel as a cause of CO2 emissions seem to be because some people see it as a rich man's luxury. It would be far better to get every UK house properly insulated and high-CO2-emitting cars scrapped.
PS: buying blocks of land and splitting it up between lots of owners is only a stalling tactic. I am pretty sure that it has been used many times before to prevent road schemes and has had little effect other than to line the pockets of lawyers and slow down the development process until all appeals eventually fail.
Last edited by ChrisR; 15-01-2010 at 11:00 AM.
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