New Climate Article

KeenTeen17 · #1 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 03:21 PM

Message on climate change is loud and clear - Telegraph

Rich_ · #2 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 05:12 PM

I don't know if climate change is part of a natural cycle, or if our activities are contributing to it? Many of the problems we have are caused by the numbers of humans which increases daily. Maybe nature is going to correct the balance as it often does, and we are about to be culled if the predictions are true

Pete84 · #3 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 08:11 PM

without a doubt it's happening , despite the efforts of some to muddy the waters by trying to create a pseudo debate with the aim of sowing the seeds of doubt.

as you point out Rich- a cull is on the way. it happens to any species that outgrows it's eco-system.

the trouble with homo-sap is that as a whole we don't believe the laws of nature apply to us and if you couple that with our un-wavering faith in technology you have a recipe for disaster.

Rich_ · #4 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete84

the trouble with homo-sap is that as a whole we don't believe the laws of nature apply to us and if you couple that with our un-wavering faith in technology you have a recipe for disaster.

It is these two points you have raised that are the crux of the matter Pete. Other species generally have their numbers controlled by survival of the fittest, like we once were. However, we learned to feed the weak and cure the sick and so numbers increase. Perhaps the laws of nature may dictate that cheating death is not good in the long term, for the ecosystem or survival of the species.

On a happier note.when the oil runs out and the electric goes off, remember, we survived (all be it fewer of us} for thousands of years without them

Country lover · #5 (**permalink**) 21-06-2009, 09:28 AM

It's quite a scarey report really but my concern is what we are doing to the wildlife who don't have any choice in our actions. If the predicted droughts come about then what effect will that have on our wildlife.

We are such greedy creatures.

Bullseye · #6 (**permalink**) 21-06-2009, 11:16 PM

Oh yes,the Met Office,who in the Springs of 2007 and 2008 predicted we were to have really hot Summers,.......correct me if I'm wrong,but I seem to remember that they were,well,rubbish summers.And last Autumn said that this last Winter was going to be much warmer than normal.......?.Don't think that was quite what happened,mind you they said that this weekend was going to be very hot and sunny.........errmmm,not down here it was'nt !.I'm afraid the Met Office has joined my list,(with the BBC),of organisations that I "don't believe a bl**dy word of anymore".

Can anyone honestly say they've noticed an overall trend in the climate getting warmer ?.

eeyore · #7 (**permalink**) 22-06-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Can anyone honestly say they've noticed an overall trend in the climate getting warmer ?.

but as has been explained countless times before , anthropogenic global warming is about an increasing average global temperature, (the clue is in the name - its not called "local warming" after all

) - not about whether it rained last tuesday or whatever

also although you are correct that the summers of 08 and 07 were pretty pants - the reason they were pants was the summer storms, and disturbed weather conditions are a symptom of having more energy in the atmosphere - and that is a result of an increased global temperature

Paul mabbott · #8 (**permalink**) 22-06-2009, 03:49 PM

You're confusing 'weather' and 'climate', 'wet' with 'cold', 'local' with 'global', amongst other things. If you haven't "noticed" 'an overall trend in the climate getting warmer' , why don't you just look at the data?

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Oh yes,the Met Office,who in the Springs of 2007 and 2008 predicted we were to have really hot Summers,.......correct me if I'm wrong,but I seem to remember that they were,well,rubbish summers.And last Autumn said that this last Winter was going to be much warmer than normal.......?.Don't think that was quite what happened,mind you they said that this weekend was going to be very hot and sunny.........errmmm,not down here it was'nt !.I'm afraid the Met Office has joined my list,(with the BBC),of organisations that I "don't believe a bl**dy word of anymore".

Can anyone honestly say they've noticed an overall trend in the climate getting warmer ?.

Paul mabbott · #9 (**permalink**) 22-06-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich_

I don't know if climate change is part of a natural cycle, or if our activities are contributing to it?

Or both?

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Many of the problems we have are caused by the numbers of humans which increases daily. Maybe nature is going to correct the balance as it often does, and we are about to be culled if the predictions are true

The problem is that it won't be 'we' who are 'culled' it will be the poor people of the world, especially the poorest. The people causing accelerated climate change by gratuitous car driving, unnecessary plane trips, deforestation, futil consumerism and so forth will probably survive ......

harasseddad · #10 (**permalink**) 22-06-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Can anyone honestly say they've noticed an overall trend in the climate getting warmer ?.

Yes - nature has noticed. All around the world there is a clear and unmistakable signal of warm-adapted species moving away from the tropics and into higher latitudes. From the African Cranes that now breed in Norfolk, to the Broad-bodied Chasers that were found only as far north as yorkshire in 1990 and now breed in the scottish borders. In every continent in the world naturalists report species after species moving into areas they have never been found before. In my childhood the Southern Hawker was only found as far north as nottingham - now it's in Aberdeen. And we've added a new species of dragonfly to the uk list every two years since 1990.

At the same time cold-adapted species are dying out in their lower latitudes. The white-faced darter has gone from staffs, only just clings on in cheshire and only really now thrives in scotland. Species of butterflies which are adapted to colder mountain-tops have been recorded moving higher up the mountains - with some species in Spain completely disappearing as they literally ran out of mountain.

The trends are universal, in both hemispheres. You either have to conclude that every species in earth has spontainiously decided to move range or that global warming is happening exactly as predicted by science.