Is the earth really dying?

[thes3raph1m]

i dont get it, i could solve the so called global warming with about 10% of the G8's annual spend on anti global warming xexexexe...

it would drop the temp at least... it wouldnt stop the emissions, however it would buy time that we dont need..


look, were gonna be out of oil in what... 30 years? great... global warming averted...

all that will happen is that 2/3rd of the human population will die (africa, india, undeveloped countries mostly) everywhere else will just get on as normal...

its laughable to believe that we have such power over the world when we dont...

[freefeet]

I really can't see that it matters much. Nature is going to f*** us up really badly before long anyway.

Whether it be climate change, super volcanos, magnetosphere collapse and reversal, big rock from space, global pandemic, doesn't really matter, there's simply too many human beings on this Earth and we're going to suffer for it when the time comes.

It's inevitable that the climate will change, and it's pretty clear that it is if people think back a few decades and compare the weather now. How much humans contributed to this change is irrelevant. What's relevant is what are we going to do when the pooh hits the fan?

To say it's happened before so it's fine is the most ridiculous position to take when one considers the difference in the global situation.

Last time there was an ice age you could count hominids in the hundreds of thousands and they were spread out over huge areas with incredible amounts of varying resources available to them, and even then you can bet your last penny that a great many were wiped out with the changing environment. This time the climate changes, whether up or down in temp, you have to consider that there's 6.5 billion humans with no space between them, millions packed into battery farms called cities with totally inadequate resources available. Nearly all our food is mass produced from a very narrow seed stock of species which is incredibly vulnerable to disease and pests, and most of that food is processed because a great many humans are no longer capable of processing natural food. Most people can't even take raw wheat and make a loaf of bread.

We've allowed our species to become conditioned to be totally reliant upon a system, capitalism, that is incapable of dealing with a global disaster such as climate change.

My personal view is that we don't have until 2050 to sort things out, we've already gone past the point of no return. Too many people are demanding too much from too little a planet and that is our undoing.

I do however believe that people will survive, some people at least. But if you look into the genetic record of our species, i believe we were beaten down to tens of thousands the last time the Earth had a tantrum - consider the environment having the power to make 6.5 billion people into 50,000 in a matter of years.

In its arrogance Homo sapiens has turned its back on the Natural world, thinking that it is the most powerful force on the Earth, i think we're in for a rude awakening when Nature lets us know just who the real force is here.

So what can we really do about it? Only one thing in my mind and that is to learn to live without the need for the capitalist system. Those who have removed all dependency upon the system will be the ones best equipped to survive when the system collapses - and it will collapse!

As Jesus once said, "The meek shall inherit the Earth". I believe he meant meek towards our environment.

[Ted Pearson]

Freefeet,
I have no idea where you live and what conditions you are living in, so I can not say if local climate change will be f***ing you up. I guess if you keep your eyes and ears open, you will have the opportunity to migrate or adapt to the extreme weather your area is prone to. Of course, if you are a quadriplegic loner living in a river basin, your pretty much f***ed. Big rocks from space are no more worthy to worry about than getting pancreatic cancer or spontaneously bursting into flames unless your EMO or really like worrying about stuff and things a lot.
Man has been predicting the end of the world ever since he realized he was on a world. Every time so far has been wrong and the prediction has been meant to glorify the predictor in some way. Religious nuts do it all the time and now politicians are doing the same thing in the name of science. Other than the contrived assertions of devisive scientists who manipulate calculations to show scarey models, be assured that there is no actual scientific data that shows CO2 driving temperature in any significant amount.

Be well,
Ted

[freefeet]

I don't think you read my post. If you did read it you didn't understand it, that much is obvious from your response.

[Ted Pearson]

My apologies Freefeet. I had mistaken your post for a depression driven ‘Cry for Help’. I truly did not understand the logic, but I do recall reading something similar in Dianetics. In fact, many parts of your post were so far down the rabbit-hole, I actually thought you were being sarcastic.
Now that I realize you are really, really, really serious, I wonder why you did not mention the irrefutable evidence of the Mayan calendar, Revelations and Nostradamus.
Ted

[freefeet]

You're very obviously flame baiting, and i really can't be bothered with that kind of attitude.

[wizzo]

Whether we like it or not, the human race is a selfish species, always have been and always will be. Ok, I'm generalising but sadly it's true of most of us. We really only care, or, are bothered about our own individual insulated worlds. It's human nature and it's reflected in the behaviour of our close relitives Chimpanzies. Mankind has always craved the material things that the more fortunate have aquired. The few that genuinly care, the majority of people on this forum and similar forums, will make our protests against the abuse of our world and the creatures that co-exist with us, to little or no avail. It saddens and distresses me, and I won't give up trying. I'm also a realist and I believe that the Earth will survive this relentless attack and when we're long gone, may even go on to benifit from our demise. Meanwhile, I'm relishing every country walk, every wonderful natural encounter and praying that there is no such thing as reincarnation!

[freefeet]

Originally Posted by wizzo

The few that genuinly care, the majority of people on this forum and similar forums, will make our protests against the abuse of our world and the creatures that co-exist with us, to little or no avail.

The meek shall inherit! The meek being "the few that genuinely care".

No, i'm not a christian, i'm Pagan. I believe in reincarnation and do really want to come back here again and again. Eventually the greedy will end up hitting the wall of their greed - because there's only a finite amount of resources - and then they will cease to exist because greed collapses when there's nothing left to covet. When there's not enough resources left those who use and need the least to survive will be the ones who will survive to inherit the Earth, not the greedy who can't see beyond the next day without thoughts of increasing their pile of treasure.

I'm not saying that what will be left to inherit won't be a polluted pooh pit, but at least the ones who care and who work with Nature will then stop interfering, live within Nature's means and let Nature fix itself to create a great new world. And Nature will.

Watch this film, Aftermath Zero... Aftermath: Population Zero | National Geographic Channel

[wizzo]

I guess that like you Free Feet, I'm not a religious person. Least ways, I've yet to find religion or visa versa! What I meant by my flipant remark about reincarnation was....I dread being reborn into a world without birds, whales and all manor of creatures, polluted rivers and seas and a planet ravaged by war and nucular fallout. However, I guess in that case, we'd all be ignorant to the fact. I wish that in my own small way I could do more. I despair of the human race most of the time but just occasionally something happens to reassure me that maybe we aren't all totally lost, and maybe there is a glimmer of hope. Reading some of the posts on here, including yours. has done that for me today - thankyou.

[Ted Pearson]

Originally Posted by freefeet

You're very obviously flame baiting, and i really can't be bothered with that kind of attitude.

The attitude is one of frustration when ideologies, (religious or otherwise), are injected into the scientific debate of climate change. If any ritual to heal our planet is to sacrifice tens of millions of human lives in Africa and India with the restriction of energy, I do have an attitude against that. Of course if you believe that genocide is the answer to any problem, you had better get accustomed to being ‘flamed’.