Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

[Digit]

the trouble was that so many of those involved were not scientists (Mr A Gore included).

How true, but I noted last week that some supporters of back to the stone age have changed their views and suffered an outbreak of common sense. Sir Patrick Moore, amongst others, has accepted, apparently, that opposing nuclear power has simply resulted in a proliferation of coal fired power stations.
Al Gore, IMO, did more harm than good with his scare tactics.
One of the other 'urban myths' that annoy me is the rising sea level argument. Rise or fall depends on where you take your measurement, in southern Britain the level is rising, in the north the level is falling, why? 'Cos the land is tilting!
Who in their right mind uses an unstable platform as a reference base?

Roy.

[animartco]

Originally Posted by Dorts

'Many a true word spoken in jest!'
But seriously, the earth does have this uncanny ability to populate with new life forms. Not immediately, but given time enormous gaps can be filled. It took some time after the dinosaurs dissapeared but the gaps were eventually filled.
Dorts.

Hi Dorts. Yes, it wasn't totally a jest. Since I was a child humanity has become about fifty percent or more, dependent on electricity. Immagine NOW if there was a world blackout, lasting a month or more. The mortality rate would be enormous. In another generation all humanity will be TOTALLY dependent on electricity. It will be circulating the air in their homes even. In hot countries even today, people who do not have air conditioning in their homes are actually dying. All air conditioning units, like fridges, produce heat, which obviously has to be vented externally. Ask the people who say they know how much heat man produces, if they have counted heat from domestic vents, from sewers, and from the heaping up, burning, fermenting, and rendering of bio- waste.
In the days of the bison roaming the plains, it was only their own body heat that counted. A single cowpat cools rapidly. And even escaping body heat in most mammals is only a small percentage of that of 'the Naked Ape'

[Dorts]

Originally Posted by animartco

Hi Dorts. Yes, it wasn't totally a jest. Since I was a child humanity has become about fifty percent or more, dependent on electricity. Immagine NOW if there was a world blackout, lasting a month or more. The mortality rate would be enormous. In another generation all humanity will be TOTALLY dependent on electricity. It will be circulating the air in their homes even. In hot countries even today, people who do not have air conditioning in their homes are actually dying. All air conditioning units, like fridges, produce heat, which obviously has to be vented externally. Ask the people who say they know how much heat man produces, if they have counted heat from domestic vents, from sewers, and from the heaping up, burning, fermenting, and rendering of bio- waste.
In the days of the bison roaming the plains, it was only their own body heat that counted. A single cowpat cools rapidly. And even escaping body heat in most mammals is only a small percentage of that of 'the Naked Ape'

I notice this 'thread' and the next : "Is the earth really dying?" have postings covering the similar themes.
So I am quite happy to 'copy and paste' my last contribution on here as it is relevant.

"Re: Is the earth really dying?
To answer the original question. Yes, just like everthing that is 'borne', it then starts an inexorable journey towards death. But our planet still has a long way to go.
It has been estimated that the Earth could remain habitable for another 2 billion years, (1 billion years longer than has recently been thought). It almost certainly will still be inhabited at that time, but by what is anybod's guess. I doubt very much if we will still be around.

How long do we humans have? Well, there will be another Ice-age along very shortly and that will cause us enormous problems. The majority of the industrialised western world will either be under ice or will have a climate similar to Iceland at present. There will have to be a vast shift of population and industry into the warmer regions if we have any desire to continue as we are.
But the inevitable strain on resources and the likelyhood of great regional conflicts will certainly change the world from that we know now. No matter how well prepared we are for the next ice age, we will eventually run out of supplies, and this ice-age will last for around 100,00 years!

If the governments of the world have any forsight, it will be into these areas that they should now be looking, not into how to cope with a few degrees of warmer weather for a few decades.
Make hay while the sunshines folks 'cos the world as we know it will soon be gone in in the blink of an eye."
Dorts.

[Martin1]

The victorians thought an ice age was coming.The russians belive its going to get colder due to sunspots they would be happy with this because they have got gas we are last in line! If co2 has esulated then plants grow bigger more food co2 is only a small player in global warming.Ice well the artic is down but not like 2007, antarctica is up you can get the ice content each monday at the link below
AccuWeather.com - Weather Video - Joe Bastardi Channel
We take an average of your weather over a 30 year period hmmm.

[Dorts]

Originally Posted by Martin1

The victorians thought an ice age was coming.The russians belive its going to get colder due to sunspots they would be happy with this because they have got gas we are last in line! If co2 has esulated then plants grow bigger more food co2 is only a small player in global warming.Ice well the artic is down but not like 2007, antarctica is up you can get the ice content each monday at the link below
AccuWeather.com - Weather Video - Joe Bastardi Channel
We take an average of your weather over a 30 year period hmmm.

Hi Martin.
An Ice-Age is coming, make no mistake. The question is when, could start in 5 years or 5,000 years; impossible to say. But in the meantime we will get warm periods and colder interludes. I say make the most of our 'warmer' climate while it lasts.
Dorts.

[rossy]

1st thing ive got to say about global warming is , load of old tosh, mother nature will decide, what happens when a cars engine has no oil, what happens when the blood flow to a humans heart stops, you know the answer to those, so as we humans keep draining the earth of its natural rescourses, what do you think is going to happen ? there is going to be more disasters and they will be on a huge scale, where , who knows, but mark my words these events will come, rossy.

[brendaward]

Time to start thinking survival then, phew! We must not accept the inevitable without a fight for survival. Smaller houses, less energy usage, solar power, growing more food, stop arguing about expensive alternatives, acceptance of gm crops, using anything for survival is going to take a lot of persuasion.

Hope for new invention and need will keep the human race surviving as it always has done so the end is not nigh,.

[animartco]

Originally Posted by brendaward

Time to start thinking survival then, phew! We must not accept the inevitable without a fight for survival. Smaller houses, less energy usage, solar power, growing more food, stop arguing about expensive alternatives, acceptance of gm crops, using anything for survival is going to take a lot of persuasion.

Hope for new invention and need will keep the human race surviving as it always has done so the end is not nigh,.

Agree totally Brendaward, especially with the bit about housing. In britian there are fortunately few families with more than three kids so why are there so many six and seven bedroom houses being built? There are no more 'extended families' either, and how often do people have guests? We MUST ban the building of all these huge detatched brick mauseleums mascarading as housing. They use an IMPOSSIBLE amount of energy. A 'townhouse' terrace is more comfortable and just as roomy, and of course the best is a flat in a ziggurat which offers a view and a garden.

[animartco]

Originally Posted by Digit

the trouble was that so many of those involved were not scientists (Mr A Gore included).

How true, but I noted last week that some supporters of back to the stone age have changed their views and suffered an outbreak of common sense. Sir Patrick Moore, amongst others, has accepted, apparently, that opposing nuclear power has simply resulted in a proliferation of coal fired power stations.
Al Gore, IMO, did more harm than good with his scare tactics.
One of the other 'urban myths' that annoy me is the rising sea level argument. Rise or fall depends on where you take your measurement, in southern Britain the level is rising, in the north the level is falling, why? 'Cos the land is tilting!
Who in their right mind uses an unstable platform as a reference base?

Roy.

Hi Digit. I still think Nuclear power is a bad option. Firstly we simply can't afford it. And we ARE all aware of the obvious drawbacks. I think we would be better putting the money into finding a really efficient CAPTURE method for removing greenhouse gases, or as I prefer to put it having lived through the London Smog, 'Atmospheric pollution', (and recycling heat) from coal and gas fired power station chimneys.

[Digit]

In a logical world animartco, yes, but the world is ruled by politicians who are often far from logical. The previous government inisted no more fossil fuel power till carbon capture was installed. Unfortunately that has yet to be made to work on an industrial scale.
Result? Sit on hands and wait!
Also carbon capture is designed to remove greenhous gases on the assumption that from then on everything in the garden will be lovely. This might be relevant....

Another Top International Scientist Jumps off Global Warming ‘Titanic’

...I think the bandwagon's loosing its wheels.

Roy.