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Old 04-01-2009, 12:15 AM
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Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

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Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B' - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent

Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

Poll of international experts by The Independent reveals consensus that CO2 cuts have failed – and their growing support for technological intervention

By Steve Connor, Science Editor and Chris Green
Friday, 2 January 2009



An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.


The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.

What has worried many of the experts, who include recognised authorities from the world's leading universities and research institutes, as well as a Nobel Laureate, is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

Levels of CO2 have continued to increase during the past decade since the treaty was agreed and they are now rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body. In the meantime the natural absorption of CO2 by the world's forests and oceans has decreased significantly. Most of the scientists we polled agreed that the failure to curb emissions of CO2, which are increasing at a rate of 1 per cent a year, has created the need for an emergency "plan B" involving research, development and possible implementation of a worldwide geoengineering strategy.

Just over half – 54 per cent – of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. About 35 per cent of respondents disagreed with the need for a "plan B", arguing that it would distract from the main objective of cutting CO2 emissions, with the remaining 11 per cent saying that they did not know whether a geoengineering strategy is needed or not.

Almost everyone who thought that geoengineering should be studied as a possible plan B said that it must not be seen as an alternative to international agreements on cutting carbon emissions but something that runs in parallel to binding treaties in case climate change runs out of control and there an urgent need to cool the planet quickly.

Geoengineering was dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but it has recently become a serious topic of research. Next summer, for example, the Royal Society, in London, is due to publish a report on the subject, led by Professor John Shepherd of the National Oceanography Centre at Southampton University. Professor Shepherd was one of the scientists who said that a plan B was needed because he was now less optimistic about the prospects of curbing CO2 levels since Kyoto was agreed, and less optimistic about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with the expected CO2 increases. "Geoengineering options... must not be allowed to detract from efforts to reduce CO2 emissions directly," said Professor Shepherd, who studies the interaction between the climate and oceans. In answer to the question of whether scientists were more optimistic or less optimistic about the ability of the climate system to cope with increases in man-made CO2 without dangerous climate change, just one out of the 80 respondents to our survey was more optimistic, 72 per cent were less optimistic, and 23 per cent felt about the same.

Professor James Lovelock, a geo-scientist and author of the Gaia hypothesis, in which the Earth is a quasi-living organism, is one of those who is less optimistic. He believes that a plan B is urgently needed. "I never thought that the Kyoto agreement would lead to any useful cut back in greenhouse gas emissions so I am neither more nor less optimistic now about prospect of curbing CO2 compared to 10 years ago. I am, however, less optimistic now about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with expected increases in atmospheric carbon levels compared with 10 years ago," he told The Independent. "I strongly agree that we now need a 'plan B' where a geoengineering strategy is drawn up in parallel with other measures to curb CO2 emissions."

Among those who oppose geoengineering is Professor David Archer, a geophysicist at Chicago University and expert on ocean chemistry. "Carbon dioxide released to the atmosphere will continue to affect climate for many millennia," he said. "Relying on geoengineering schemes such as sulphate aerosols would be analogous to putting the planet on life support. If future humanity failed to pay its 'climate bill' – a bill that we left them, thank you very much – they would bear the full brunt of climate change within a very short time."

Gummer set for green role

The former Tory cabinet member who publicly fed his daughter a beefburger during the outbreak of so-called "mad cow disease" is in line for a leading role in helping the Government fight against global warming, writes Nigel Morris.

John Gummer, who served as Environment Secretary in the previous Conservative government, has been shortlisted for the post of chairman of the Committee on Climate Change. He is one of three candidates being discussed in Whitehall to succeed Baron Turner of Ecchinswell. The others are Rachel Lomax, a former Treasury official who has recently retired as a deputy governor of the Bank of England, and Sir John Harman, former chairman of the Environment Agency.

Mr Gummer, 69, has been a Conservative activist for almost half a century and has spent 34 years as an MP. He represents the safe seat of Suffolk Coastal. A 16-year spell in government culminated with his promotion by John Major to Environment Secretary, when he was regarded as a pioneering minister, introducing the landfill tax and the fuel-price escalator.

Mr Gummer said last night he knew nothing about the vacant post.

Fixing the planet Could technology help save the world?

Injecting the air with particles to reflect sunlight

Volcanic eruptions release huge amounts of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere, where they reflect sunlight. After Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991, sulphates reflected enough sunlight to cool the Earth by 0.5C for a year or two. The Nobel Laureate Paul Crutzen suggested in 2006 that it may be possible to inject artificial sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere – the stratosphere. However, the idea does not address ocean acidification caused by rising CO2 levels. There may be side-effects such as acid rain and adverse effects on agriculture.

Creating low clouds over the oceans

Another variation on the theme of increasing the Earth's albedo, or reflectivity to sunlight, is to pump water vapour into the air to stimulate cloud formation over the sea. John Latham of the United States National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado is working with Stephen Salter of Edinburgh University and Mike Smith at Leeds to atomise seawater to produce tiny droplets to form low-level maritime clouds that cover part of the oceanic surface. The only raw material is seawater and the process can be quickly turned off. The cloud cover would only affect the oceans, but still lower global temperatures.

Fertilising the sea with iron filings

This idea arises from the fact that the limiting factor in the multiplication of phytoplankton – tiny marine plants – is the lack of iron salts in the sea. When scientists add iron to "dead" areas of the sea, the result is a phytoplankton bloom which absorbs CO2. The hope is that carbon taken up by the microscopic plants will sink to deep layers of the ocean, and be taken out of circulation. Experiments support the idea, but blooms may be eaten by animals so carbon returns to the atmosphere as CO2.

Mixing the deep water of the ocean

The Earth scientist James Lovelock, working with Chris Rapley of the Science Museum in London, devised a plan to put giant tubes into the seas to take surface water rich in dissolved CO2 to lower depths where it will not surface. The idea is to take CO2 out of the short-term carbon cycle, cutting the gas in the atmosphere. Critics say it may bring carbon locked away in the deep ocean to the surface.

Giant mirrors in space

Some scientists suggest it would be possible to deflect sunlight with a giant mirror or a fleet of small mirrors between the Earth and the Sun. The scheme would be costly and prompt debate over who controls it. Many scientists see it as contrary to the idea of working with the Earth's systems.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:45 PM
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Re: Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

The problem boils down to the fact that evolution has favoured a short-term mentality, whereas climate control requires the 'alien' long-term mentality.

I believe that apart from talking about what should/could/might be done, nothing meaningful will in fact _be_ done - and that we are heading for catastrophe.

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Old 05-01-2009, 08:42 PM
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Re: Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

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The problem boils down to the fact that evolution has favoured a short-term mentality, whereas climate control requires the 'alien' long-term mentality.

I believe that apart from talking about what should/could/might be done, nothing meaningful will in fact _be_ done - and that we are heading for catastrophe.

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I see it differerntly Jim!

Evolution is a long term strategy - we humans just think that we are so much the pinncacle of evolutionary design !!

Our success in modifying the law of the jungle for us, also means that we mitigate against further evolution of the human species.

And it is unlikely that the speed of our climate induced change will allow evolution to work - well without massive loss of the human race.
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I see it differerntly Jim!
What I meant was that evolution has 'given' us the mentality to only consider as urgent, that which will enable us to survive in the immediate future and pass on our genes. This is the short term mentality I mentioned.

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Re: Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

thats humans for you!

we change the environment to suit ourselves whereas every other species in nature changes themselves to suit their environment.
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thats humans for you!

we change the environment to suit ourselves whereas every other species in nature changes themselves to suit their environment.
apart from beavers

and ants

and termites

and...
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and ants

and termites

and...
got me there

I meant extensively change our environment - even the climate
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Re: Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

we are chest deep in it.

did anyone see 'the day the earth stood still'?

if we're going to have any impact on this impending disaster, we have to act, and all act, very soon and alot.
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Wait, cuts on CO2 failed? I wasn't aware any government was really trying? Surely to fail, you have to at least attempt to succeed, no?

Environmental Engineering is BAD.

Increase iron levels in the seas to induce algae blooms? Depriving the oceans of oxygen, killing plankton, and all life which depends on it? Then when the algae drops to the ocean floor, then what? Surely that would produce methane that would do even more damage?

Giant fake trees? Roads made out of solar panels (that cost $6000 dollars a metre, thats over $3,000,000 for power for 500 homes), seeding clouds, giant reflectors in space! etc etc.

Why not just switch off the tv? Turn the heating down? Take the bus? Stop buying xexexexe from China we don't really need?

Am I alone?
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Why not just switch off the tv? Turn the heating down? Take the bus? Stop buying xexexexe from China we don't really need?

Am I alone?
No you are not! Tell me where you are and I will get on a plane to come and support you.
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Re: Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

Aside from the obvious problems with triggered algal blooms, since when did cloud cover equal cooling? Sure during the day if the sun goes behind the clouds it feels a little cold, but heat in the long term gets trapped - it can't escape back into space at anywhere near the rate it would if there was normal cloud cover, or no clouds. Clouds promote the greenhouse effect.

There is so much we can do that we haven't done, and I'm in agreement with those who say they haven't actually seen the governments or the people make any effort to tackle the problem. I know many people have gotten fed up with the media scaremongering, exaggerating, dumbing down and have stopped believing - or caring - that we are responsible for the problem, the government haven't actually done anything about it. They have plenty of power over the media and I think by now they should know that all scaremongering accomplishes is disinterest, worry and very sketchy panicked and misinformed action.

People need to want to change things and in a big way, quite frankly I can't see that ever happening. Plan B only aims to treat the symptoms.
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Based on how unrealistic Plan A is/was I have little faith in Plan B either!

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And it seems we now have a new gas affecting the ozone layer to worry about - Nitrous Oxide. Emmsions of this gas are not regulated.
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