Earth: The Climate Wars

[Dan Salter]

Well done Stu...i was just wondering the same thing?

Episode 2 answers and corrects just about everything he is using as an argument here?

[forfi]

whoa chaps,you are acting out the same fantasy as the BBC in that everything you have to offer hangs on the belief in this hockey stick.
Do you deny the evidence that we had a Little Ice Age as I have shown in the posts above was felt globally? It was of course felt more in the Northern Hemisphere but how dare you ignore the papers I have brought to your attention.Here another noting the effects of the Little Ice Age in Africa:
Little Ice Age drought in equatorial Africa: Intertropical Convergence Zone migrations and El Nino-Southern Oscillation variability

Will you now dismiss NOAA as irrelevant ? This dismissal of world wide scientific data is also a feature of the BBC series.
Are you dimissing the freezing of the Thames and other rivers ?

Perhaps we should be looking at the background to this scam.I first became alarmed at the proposals being put forward by the unholy trinity of Gore Hansen and Mann when I heard that Enron were behind many of the windfactories being proposed as wind did not make sense .The fraud of subsidies explained a lot and now Inote that there are connections between the trinity and no other than the Lehman Brothers Bank of which we have heard so much in the past days.But back to the science bit.
What are your thoughts on the data from China and Africa? There is more of course,would you like me detail the other 31 papers from China ?

[StuartDH]

forfi, so have you watched the episode or not?

[forfi]

Pure Hollywood,as is the latest which I am watching now.Dr S. has this magic radio in the car he is driving which has climate doomsters on each and every channel!! no footie ,no music,just bull.Just like the Gore movie. I did notice the subtle knocking of the lifestyle of those who have nice homes.Pure marxism

Do answer the questions that I have asked above and stop behaving like sillybillies.
Lets keep it simple for starters.Has the Thames ever frozen ?
When do you think this happened last? Answers please.

[forfi]

PS why is this guy cutting off some real scientists in mid point?

[StuartDH]

Originally Posted by forfi

Do answer the questions that I have asked above and stop behaving like sillybillies.
Lets keep it simple for starters.Has the Thames ever frozen ?

Yes, as far as i know several times over the last 1,000 years

Originally Posted by forfi

When do you think this happened last? Answers please.

a few hundred years ago, about 1600?

[StuartDH]

Originally Posted by forfi

PS why is this guy cutting off some real scientists in mid point?

at last, you're talking about the topic of the thread. not sure which scientist you're talking about being cut off, but when it's released on iplayer you can use the video timeline to point that out i guess

[StuartDH]

Originally Posted by forfi

In Mann's hockey stick and lots of other contrived sources.I am merely pointing out that it is a bit silly for people to bemoan the loss of glaciers while being in denial of the event that formed them.I use that report to illustrate the point.

I've just read back through this thread and realised why you're asking about the frozen Thames, although I think I must be reading it wrong ("bemoan the loss of glaciers while being in denial of the event that formed them")...surely you're not saying that today's shrinking glaciers were formed by the little ice age?

[pressld2]

Caught up with the first two episodes today. Very interesting I thought and I like Dr Stewart as a presenter (although I did wonder why they had the professor of Mathematics at Warwick presenting on climate change until I realised it was a different Iain Stewart). I'll have to wait until episode three is on iPlayer to see it.

Originally Posted by forfi

Has the Thames ever frozen ?
When do you think this happened last?

Many times, it's a very well documented fact going back to Roman Britain. The last frost fair on the Thames was held in 1814 although the river probably froze again after that date. However it definitely hasn't frozen since 1870, but this tells us precisely nothing about the temperature either before or since that date. The winters of 1947 and 1963 were two of the coldest on record but the river didn't freeze. The reason is that between 1865 and 1870 the Victoria and Albert embankments were built. These narrowed the river making it faster flowing which in turn meant that temperatures would have to fall much, much lower for it to freeze. If you don't factor that in then your conclusions will be flawed in much the same way that Dr Roy Spencer's conclusions were flawed when he failed to take into account the degradation of the satelites' orbits.

And even if the Thames freezing was a reliable indicator of the temperature in London it would still tell you nothing at all about global average temperatures.

Dave P.

[Dan Salter]

Originally Posted by pressld2

Caught up with the first two episodes today. Very interesting I thought and I like Dr Stewart as a presenter (although I did wonder why they had the professor of Mathematics at Warwick presenting on climate change until I realised it was a different Iain Stewart). I'll have to wait until episode three is on iPlayer to see it.



Many times, it's a very well documented fact going back to Roman Britain. The last frost fair on the Thames was held in 1814 although the river probably froze again after that date. However it definitely hasn't frozen since 1870, but this tells us precisely nothing about the temperature either before or since that date. The winters of 1947 and 1963 were two of the coldest on record but the river didn't freeze. The reason is that between 1865 and 1870 the Victoria and Albert embankments were built. These narrowed the river making it faster flowing which in turn meant that temperatures would have to fall much, much lower for it to freeze. If you don't factor that in then your conclusions will be flawed in much the same way that Dr Roy Spencer's conclusions were flawed when he failed to take into account the degradation of the satelites' orbits.

And even if the Thames freezing was a reliable indicator of the temperature in London it would still tell you nothing at all about global average temperatures.

Dave P.

Ha ha Touche!....im starting to love you pressld..ha ha