Climate Change/Global Warming is not

[jhewitt15]

Climate change / global warming is totally natural! All this stuff about Co2 emissions and cars killing us all is rubbish! Climate change is a natural phenomenon! The government is just taking advantage of nature to force everyone into buses and trains and bleed us dry with green taxes!

Do you remember the Ice Age? The ice caps stretched to around southern England. Then climate change happened and the ice caps melted and seas rose and various flora and fauna were killed off. Wooly Mammoths.. Were neanderthal men driving around in cars and going on holiday in jets?

NO! Climate change happened then naturally with no change in CO2 levels. THERE WERE NO CARS! The same thing is happening now and the governments are brainwashing normal people!

Now I fear for my future because now I have just left school I probably won't be able to get a car and will have to be forced get the bus and train everywhere.!

[matt_xyz]

we have had several threads on this topic and they end up going round in circles with posts becoming increasingly heated and personal. The mods then have to step in.

I won't close this thread but I would ask anyone who contributes to it to try not to rise to the provocative nature of this post. The original poster might also want to consider whether he/she may have overlooked some scientific evidence which might make the case not quite as clear cut as he/she infers

Matt

[Mercadante]

Of course the climate changes naturally - nobody has ever said otherwise. Similarly, people die naturally. But if I ran over someone in my car and then said, "It's not murder, deaths are perfectly natural! Napoleon died, and there weren't any cars around then!", I think you'd realize that that was wrong.

There is a lot of evidence now that human activities, not just natural processes, are now having a warming effect on the planet. That is the overwhelming consensus among climate scientists, not governments.

To put it at its simplest: carbon dioxide has a insulating effect (which is used commercially). We have put a great deal of it in the air, dramatically increasing its concentration in the atmosphere. People who deny that this is warming the planet are essentially saying that a mysterious process has suspended the laws of physics, and that the warming we actually see happening is a marvellous coincidence. My faith in miracles doesn't stretch quite that far.

[lol geoff]

Originally Posted by jhewitt15

Climate change / global warming is totally natural! All this stuff about Co2 emissions and cars killing us all is rubbish! Climate change is a natural phenomenon! The government is just taking advantage of nature to force everyone into buses and trains and bleed us dry with green taxes!

Do you remember the Ice Age? The ice caps stretched to around southern England. Then climate change happened and the ice caps melted and seas rose and various flora and fauna were killed off. Wooly Mammoths.. Were neanderthal men driving around in cars and going on holiday in jets?

NO! Climate change happened then naturally with no change in CO2 levels. THERE WERE NO CARS! The same thing is happening now and the governments are brainwashing normal people!

Now I fear for my future because now I have just left school I probably won't be able to get a car and will have to be forced get the bus and train everywhere.!

You forgot to add "This was supposed to be the longest summer of my life". Calm down young person make the most of your life now, things may get a lot worse later on.

[Coley]

I don't think you know what you have started. Don't start getting all religious on us now either. Just so you know these debates don't always go well.

[Strontium]

If at 15 I could have made such resounding progress in my understanding of science to make quick acurate reasoned analysis, I perhaps would now have been more successful than I am now. What I mean to say is, at that age I only just started my education in science, and it hasnt stopped today, Im twice as old, and havent stopped learning (yet I hope ) - I dont have all the answers, no one does, but some extremely well learned people with lifetimes worth of scientific achievements the world over are all saying the same thing. They likely hold distiguished positions in faculties, facilities, organisations, etc, and would be considered in amongst the most intelligent people on the planet. The fact that they spent most of their lives researching, gaining experience and listening to their peers should make you aware that they arent in it for the corporate cash.

[jhewitt15]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

we have had several threads on this topic and they end up going round in circles with posts becoming increasingly heated and personal. The mods then have to step in.

I won't close this thread but I would ask anyone who contributes to it to try not to rise to the provocative nature of this post. The original poster might also want to consider whether he/she may have overlooked some scientific evidence which might make the case not quite as clear cut as he/she infers

Matt

It wasn't meant to be provocative. I am just so frustrated that I won't be able to have a car until Im at least 30! and that while the government officials live in giant heated houses I might not be able to afford a small flat.

Youre right about the specialists who have worked their entire lives in weather and climate, but I think the government have exaggerated it to be worse than it is.

There is lots of evidence to point to global warming but there are other pieces of evidence that point against it.

Why did the Ice Age end with no cars about? I'm not sure myself... and I am asking for the answer? - not to start a debate.

[jhewitt15]

Originally Posted by Strontium

If at 15 I could have

I'm 16 by the way - jhewitt15 is my email adress from when I was 15 and it just easier to have the same user name in everything I do,

[matt_xyz]

Originally Posted by jhewitt15

Why did the Ice Age end with no cars about? I'm not sure myself... and I am asking for the answer? - not to start a debate.

the ice age ended because there is natural variability in the climate. No one disputes this. If there were no people on the planet the climate would still change. However, this doesn't mean human activity isn't adding to this natural change, the evidence strongly suggests it is. This means any such change could be greater, and much more rapid, than would be occurring naturally.

It is the scientific community who provides the evidence for climate change, not the government. The government aren't saying anything that isn't supported by the IPCC (the coalition of world scientists).

Matt

[Paul mabbott]

Nicely put.

Originally Posted by Mercadante

Of course the climate changes naturally - nobody has ever said otherwise. Similarly, people die naturally. But if I ran over someone in my car and then said, "It's not murder, deaths are perfectly natural! Napoleon died, and there weren't any cars around then!", I think you'd realize that that was wrong.

There is a lot of evidence now that human activities, not just natural processes, are now having a warming effect on the planet. That is the overwhelming consensus among climate scientists, not governments.

To put it at its simplest: carbon dioxide has a insulating effect (which is used commercially). We have put a great deal of it in the air, dramatically increasing its concentration in the atmosphere. People who deny that this is warming the planet are essentially saying that a mysterious process has suspended the laws of physics, and that the warming we actually see happening is a marvellous coincidence. My faith in miracles doesn't stretch quite that far.