Solar Activity Causing Climate Change

[griffgrouch]

Originally Posted by cohoctonwindwatch

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.

Al Gore's quackumentary should be viewed with disdain and with the view of brainwashing our children. Our famous Mr Gore has Carbon Offsetting interests...and that can NOT be denied.


Of course he still wants to propagate the MMGW/CC poison.

[Paul mabbott]

Oh no, I am seeing deja vu again.

Or did someone say that before

Couldn't the person/persons who suffer these delusions just look at the previous mails?

[griffgrouch]

[quote=Paul mabbott;264471]Oh no, I am seeing deja vu again.

Verbose!

Or did someone say that before

Couldn't the person/persons who suffer these delusions just look at the previous mails?

If I can interpret your posy quickly, you sir are deluded, and clinging to a sinking ship. Has nobody told you there has been NO GW since 1998?

CO2 rise ALWAYS follows a Warming trend.
See Beer/Lambert Law
NO warming of the troposphere as supposed by the models
Models do NOT take into account solar eruptivity and clouds (albedo)
NO observational data to back up MMGWT (if there is then post it)
Much to be gained by MMGWT
IPCC - poilitical orgainsation that studies the final draft line by line - if they don't like it, it's changed. No doubt about that.

'Consensus' - horsedung

Look up Oregon petition
More recently - Manhattan Declaration.

Who's deluded?

[Strontium]

Originally Posted by griffgrouch

Al Gore's quackumentary should be viewed with disdain and with the view of brainwashing our children. Our famous Mr Gore has Carbon Offsetting interests...and that can NOT be denied.


Of course he still wants to propagate the MMGW/CC poison.

Oh yeah I can see your point - (Massive injection of sarcasm initiated) - We should all stop brainwashing our children right this second.. tell them that if the adults in charge of our current world economy are free to continue on their ignorant path, we will have plenty of pollution from all the burned oil, and fake wars, be still greedier but richer by unfair trade, and all happy consumers of cheaply manufactured Chinese imports.

I hate to witness how some parents love to imagine a bountiful future economy for their children while ignoring the reality of their own bad choices as parents, that continue to perpetuate an uncaring attitude to wildlife, the environment, and the impoverished. Instead they complain at scientists and public figures who speak out on it because they dont know why they should bother to think about it when hardly anyone else they know does.

Carbon offsetting is an attempt to bring the pollution of big business into a more tenable position for criticism - not the be all and end all of the global warming debate.

If your Mr Gore gets criticism on his film, (quackumentary is fair - 'doctoral' overtones - since it brought about much scientific peer reviewing, that documentaries very rarely do)
I dont really think world+dog will care much - I think the important message got through to most people, that if someone with enough of a public stature will speak about it, there must be something in it - and obviously there is, unless you are brainwashed ofc.

[Strontium]

[quote=griffgrouch;264486]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Oh no, I am seeing deja vu again.

Verbose!


If I can interpret your posy quickly, you sir are deluded, and clinging to a sinking ship. Has nobody told you there has been NO GW since 1998?

CO2 rise ALWAYS follows a Warming trend.
See Beer/Lambert Law
NO warming of the troposphere as supposed by the models
Models do NOT take into account solar eruptivity and clouds (albedo)
NO observational data to back up MMGWT (if there is then post it)
Much to be gained by MMGWT
IPCC - poilitical orgainsation that studies the final draft line by line - if they don't like it, it's changed. No doubt about that.

'Consensus' - horsedung

Look up Oregon petition
More recently - Manhattan Declaration.

Who's deluded?

Is your comment about no Global warming since 1998 based on the misinformation surrounding it being the hottest year since the 1950s, because if you correctly take note of the average temperatures, the unusually hot year of 1998 was equaled by 2005. The years surrounding 2005, were hotter than the years about 1998. This is a debunked point, in fact global rise in temperature is still ongoing and is unrelated to the sun cycle. The former hypothesis that the suns cycle is the reason for global warming offered the year 1998 to try and give proof that the world was no longer warming - poor science and analysis.

Unless you are observing from venus, and cant even see through the atmosphere there, because of all the CO2, you dont need to go to the troposphere to measure temperature - in all the atmosphere BELOW the troposphere, is where all the weather systems and clouds are.. If you did any physics, you'll remember convection, that transfers heat in a liquid and gaseous model? Do you understand what massive heat sinks like polar regions do when heat is transfered to them? What does net average temperature mean? why should this be evident throughout the entire sphere of the globe? Do you realise some regions of Antarctica have ice shelves which are extending? What is the temperature difference there?