Campaign against Climate Change

[DRS]

There are marches taking place all around the world on the 8th December to demand that urgent attention is paid by world leaders on Climate Change. That we need immediate action to prevent catastrophic events that will occur without any intervention on their part.

Campaign against Climate Change

There are events happening in London, Dublin, Edinburgh and Belfast - i'll be heading along to the one in Belfast and will post more details on that one when i receive them. Anyone else going to take part in these marches?

[RantingSquirrel]

I live Battersea so can get to the central London within two shakes of a lambs tail.

Theres a couple of facebook groups too linked to it which I've sent my mates (we're all env sci graduates / post graduates), can def assume some of them will go too.

[DRS]

I've sent out an email to everyone in my address book about the different places and events that are happening. Hopefully they'll be a good turn-out for these.

[eeyore]

i wonder what the carbon footprint of all these marches ( which imo are likely to be about as succesful as live earth in swaying governmental opinion) is ?

[Rich_]

Originally Posted by eeyore

i wonder what the carbon footprint of all these marches ( which imo are likely to be about as succesful as live earth in swaying governmental opinion) is ?

Not everyone, I'd assume is going to walk or cycle to these events.

Would those petitions you can sign on the internet not be more appropriate , especially if hundreds start turning up in cars & minibuses etc?

[RantingSquirrel]

Originally Posted by eeyore

i wonder what the carbon footprint of all these marches ( which imo are likely to be about as succesful as live earth in swaying governmental opinion) is ?

This could be said of any march, look at the anti war one prior to Iraq, 2 million people and the Government ignored it. It does show that people care however. and raises awareness.

I'm one of the lucky few, I can jump on a bus (normal london one not laid on specially for event) or walk in (takes about 1.5 hours).

[robingoodfellow]

No chance, essays due on the 12th!

[gfilmsuk]

I wish you all luck, but quite what you expect to achieve I don't know. Do you really expect those in power to listen? I think you'd stand a better chance by getting down on your knees and praying. He's the only one that could make a difference.
Dave

[Paul mabbott]

But which one should you pray to? Decisions, decisions .....

Originally Posted by gfilmsuk

I think you'd stand a better chance by getting down on your knees and praying. He's the only one that could make a difference.
Dave

[Biomotors]

If 10000 people turned out in London, that's about 0.1% of the population of London.

Gosh, that will certainly make them sit up and listen, won't it now...

Dominic

[oneworld]

Good on you DRS

It really doesn't matter if the powers that be don't listen - at least you have done your bit.
The apathy of others shouldn't stop you either - I am glad to see people taking some direct action.

Jas

[wild flower]

Originally Posted by oneworld

Good on you DRS

It really doesn't matter if the powers that be don't listen - at least you have done your bit.
The apathy of others shouldn't stop you either - I am glad to see people taking some direct action.

Jas

Here here! It will be people not governments that make the difference.

[Rich_]

It is a nice thought wild flower, but we are a democracy for only one day every five years, when those people vote for a government, which then does as it pleases.

[gfilmsuk]

Wild Flower said; Here here! It will be people not governments that make the difference.


''The £50m in aid Mr Brown has promised the Chinese to help tackle climate change will fund technology to boost energy efficiency as well as increase the use of clean coal and carbon capture systems''. BBC News 18/01/08

Our government gave £300 millions to save the rain forest a month ago when our health service is on its knees-I could go on and on and on.....

Is this the government you're talking about?

I agree with Rich, he'll do what he wants and you won't get a look-in.
Dave

[thwick in 'ead]

What good will these marches do against what is in fact a perfectly natural phenomenon?

[Biomotors]

Originally Posted by thwick in 'ead

What good will these marches do against what is in fact a perfectly natural phenomenon?

Yeah, right on brother! Man-made global warming is all part of the same Government conspiracy that told us smoking, binge-drinking, fatty foods and excessive sunbathing were bad for us and that seatbelts and crash-helmets were a good idea. Smoking has never been proved to cause lung cancer, and everyone knows it. It's just a nanny-state plot to make us all miserable.

There's only been one program that seriously tried to claim that mankind was not responsible for global warming, and even though we know that the graphs and facts protrayed in that film were DELIBERATELY falsified to support their claims, and that the scientists who were misrepresented in that film were furious about it, I'm just going to believe it anyway, cos that way I can carry on destroying the planet and not giving a §§§§ about it!

I mean, who's going to believe that just because we SIGNIFICANTLY change the composition of the air we breath in just ONE generation, that that could have any impact on the ecosystem. Bah! Humbug!

Right on!

Dominic

[thwick in 'ead]

Absolutely, one good volcanic eruption puts so much into the atmosphere that makes man's efforts look puny!

My father died of a smoking related disease - he was a 40 a day man!

[Biomotors]

Maybe you should read my post again, only this time, hear what I am actually saying....

... and then go onto the Hadley Centre website, and open your eyes to what is really going on with this planet.

[Mercadante]

Specifically on the volcano fairy tale: we put well over 100 times more CO2 into the atmosphere annually than volcanoes do. http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html

[Rich_]

We are really discussing governments stances on this isssue, here & the marches.

In my opinion, the government are only bothered about this & probably any other issue when it suits them. This will never be allowed to interfere with the economy or business.

They were probably more interested in how much the fat folk & smokers were costing the NHS & industry through sickness than any real concern for the individual.

They don't seem keen on puplic opinion or referendums between elections either, unless of course they are sure it will go their way & they can then create the illusion of caring.

[Biomotors]

Indeed. Getting back to the point, I don't actually think marches are a very good idea. They aren't bad, but they are probably a big waste of time, compared to what else could be done with that time, energy and money.

Scenario 1: Imagine 2 million people go to London for a march. They each spend about 20 quid on train tickets and lose a day of doing something else, but feel satisfied that they have done something for "the cause". The government are happy to have appeased them by "giving people their say", and make lots of noises about emissions targets, and nothing really happens.

Scenario 2: The bread-winners of above, say one million people each pledge to spend one extra day at work, and give the proceeds to fighting climate change. On average they earn 100 pounds a day. That means we have a fund of 100 million pounds to lobby government, do conservation work, invest in alternative technologies, etc. etc.

Which would be better use of a million people's time?

Dominic

[thwick in 'ead]

Originally Posted by Biomotors

Maybe you should read my post again, only this time, hear what I am actually saying....

I was perfectly aware of what you were sayting, my reply was slightly tongue in cheek, because I am firmly convinced that all this carbon footprint, man-made global warming it absolute rubbish. You can't look at climate change on a timescale related to lifespan, history or even archaeology, but must look in geological terms and if you do, what is happening is not unusual.

So don't try to preach to me. You may have your own belief, but some people still believe in fairies!

[Biomotors]

At the end of the day, people believe what they want to believe, and all the scientific studies in the world will never convince them.

If I want to smoke, I will simply say there is no such thing as smoking-related diseases, and that's that. On a geological timescale, my life is not important, so smoking-related diseases don't exist.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by thwick in 'ead

I was perfectly aware of what you were sayting, my reply was slightly tongue in cheek, because I am firmly convinced that all this carbon footprint, man-made global warming it absolute rubbish. You can't look at climate change on a timescale related to lifespan, history or even archaeology, but must look in geological terms and if you do, what is happening is not unusual.

So don't try to preach to me. You may have your own belief, but some people still believe in fairies!

and if you are right then all the green lobby will have done is to save themselves some money.

if on the other hand you are wrong then we will have a globasl catastrophe on our hands which may not be survivable

you dont really need to be a rocket scientist to work out the prudent course of action do you ?

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Biomotors

Indeed. Getting back to the point, I don't actually think marches are a very good idea. They aren't bad, but they are probably a big waste of time, compared to what else could be done with that time, energy and money.

Scenario 1: Imagine 2 million people go to London for a march. They each spend about 20 quid on train tickets and lose a day of doing something else, but feel satisfied that they have done something for "the cause". The government are happy to have appeased them by "giving people their say", and make lots of noises about emissions targets, and nothing really happens.

Scenario 2: The bread-winners of above, say one million people each pledge to spend one extra day at work, and give the proceeds to fighting climate change. On average they earn 100 pounds a day. That means we have a fund of 100 million pounds to lobby government, do conservation work, invest in alternative technologies, etc. etc.

Which would be better use of a million people's time?

Dominic

well said - I also disaprove of marches aagainst climate change on the basis that its a bit hypocritical to expend lots of carbon on staging a march , or worse a series of global concerts - especially if they actually achieve didly squat.