Is Global Warming a Natural Phenomenon?

[Paul mabbott]

No, facts are facts - they are either right or they are not facts.
This thread has gone on for far too long and clearly people have come into it who have not read the earlier stages and some of us () are getting fed up at having to hear the same old claptrap and repeat the same facts.

I think everyone entering this thread should sign a disclaimer:
(a) I understand what the greenhouse effect is (it's not new: Greenhouse effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) ;
(b) I know what the various greenhouse gases are and their relative effects on temperature accumulation;
(c) I know which greenhouse gases are produced excessively by human industry (inlcuding agriculture);
(d) I have some critical knowledge that contradicts the conclusions of IPCC IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

If not, then I suspect that their comments are worthless .... sorry.

Originally Posted by annmaria

Hi Paul , its actually supposed to be a debate, not a one sided ' you will accept MY FACTS BECAUSE MY FACTS ARE RIGHT AND YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG '
You see opinions can come into a debate as well.
Opinions are formed and discussed in a two way debate.
I will listen to what you have to say , then decide if I agree or not, probably not OK
Annmaria

[annmaria]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

No, facts are facts - they are either right or they are not facts.
This thread has gone on for far too long and clearly people have come into it who have not read the earlier stages and some of us () are getting fed up at having to hear the same old claptrap and repeat the same facts.

I think everyone entering this thread should sign a disclaimer:
(a) I understand what the greenhouse effect is (it's not new: Greenhouse effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) ;
(b) I know what the various greenhouse gases are and their relative effects on temperature accumulation;
(c) I know which greenhouse gases are produced excessively by human industry (inlcuding agriculture);
(d) I have some critical knowledge that contradicts the conclusions of IPCC IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

If not, then I suspect that their comments are worthless .... sorry.

I have sadly decided you are a very rude person.
Once upon a time everyone believed the world was flat , you see facts have a way of changing .........
I NO LONGER WISH TO BOTHER WITH SUCH AN ARROGANT PERSON
Annmaria

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by annmaria

I have sadly decided you are a very rude person.
Once upon a time everyone believed the world was flat , you see facts have a way of changing .........
I NO LONGER WISH TO BOTHER WITH SUCH AN ARROGANT PERSON
Annmaria

perhaps you should look in a mirror - Paul has consistently stuck to facts , it is you who has decended to personal allegations of arrogance, ignorance etc, probably because your position has very few facts to back it up.

the world being flat was a belief because at the time human kind didnt know any better - it was never a fact and facts later proved it wrong.

equally the idea that global warming is not happening is a belief - not a fact , the facts (which are freely available) point to this being wrong too - unfortunately by the time the facts are glaringly obvious even to the uninformed it will be too late to do anything about them.

certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but like paul said for an opinion to have any worth in a debate like this it does help if the poster has an appreciation of what the established facts are.

I (and i would suspect paul, matt etc) am quite happy to engage in debate with anyone who can argue against anthropogenic global warming in an objective and scientific manner , but it does get wearing to have the same , head in the sand, "its not happening - ya boo sucks" stuff trotted out over and over again - particularly from posters who dont seem to even understand what the principal of the green house effect is, and therefore what they are arguing against.

[annmaria]

Originally Posted by eeyore

perhaps you should look in a mirror - Paul has consistently stuck to facts , it is you who has decended to personal allegations of arrogance, ignorance etc, probably because your position has very few facts to back it up.

the world being flat was a belief because at the time human kind didnt know any better - it was never a fact and facts later proved it wrong.

equally the idea that global warming is not happening is a belief - not a fact , the facts (which are freely available) point to this being wrong too - unfortunately by the time the facts are glaringly obvious even to the uninformed it will be too late to do anything about them.

certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but like paul said for an opinion to have any worth in a debate like this it does help if the poster has an appreciation of what the established facts are.

I (and i would suspect paul, matt etc) am quite happy to engage in debate with anyone who can argue against anthropogenic global warming in an objective and scientific manner , but it does get wearing to have the same , head in the sand, "its not happening - ya boo sucks" stuff trotted out over and over again - particularly from posters who dont seem to even understand what the principal of the green house effect is, and therefore what they are arguing against.

I was going to answer this , but I really can not be bothered.
Through out history facts and beliefs have changed places, I try to keep an open mind without shouting others down,
If it makes you feel good , your facts are right until proven wrong!
Annmaria

[John D]

Originally Posted by annmaria

I was going to answer this , but I really can not be bothered.
Through out history facts and beliefs have changed places, I try to keep an open mind without shouting others down,
If it makes you feel good , your facts are right until proven wrong!
Annmaria

You are correct Annmaria on the FACT that 'facts are correct until proven wrong' and this has been the case in days gone by and will be the case in the future.
Only time will tell which facts are correct and which are not. However at times decisions must be made on the 'current facts' as the risk of ignoring them could be disastrous. With regards to the topic under discussion few if any of us will be around long enough to witness what facts are bourne out to be correct.
Personally I'm a bit sceptical of the current theories and 'facts' regarding this topic but I don't have enough knowledge of the situation and understanding of the 'facts' to persuade me to lean totally in any one direction.
I therefore can only accept that there may be opposing facts as there appears to be on this topic and leave it to the 'experts' on both sides of the debate to decide which action should be taken.
I only hope the 'experts' get it right!
John D

[ChrisJB]

(sits back, folds arms, puts feet up and continues to watch this thread with glee!) Keep it up folks...I love it!

Regards, Chris

[Earth Hart]

Originally Posted by ChrisJB

(sits back, folds arms, puts feet up and continues to watch this thread with glee!) Keep it up folks...I love it!

Regards, Chris

Can I join you Chris, I've got some Hart's Breath made up

It's a pity, all this "Facts v Belief" I just use my senses

Will

[ChrisJB]

Originally Posted by Earth Hart

Can I join you Chris, I've got some Hart's Breath made up

It's a pity, all this "Facts v Belief" I just use my senses

Will

I'll fetch a glass! The more the merrier.

Regards, Chris

[Earth Hart]

[quote=ChrisJB;291404]I'll fetch a glass! The more the merrier.

Regards, Chris[/QUOTE ]

I'll bring some extra Mead & Apple juice, so I can make up some Hind's Breath for the ladies, if any turn up

[annmaria]

Hi there Chris, Earth Hart and any one else who is sitting comfortably
I was not going to return to this thread but once I have dug this far I might as well risk the wrath of the EXPERTS and carry on
( please feel free to jump in and help me out ! )

Any way earlier today another WAB member who is either to sensible or chicken I am not sure which said....... " To be honest with you I have loads of " theories" on subjects like this, but for reasons the thread is illustrating, I keep them to myself , some people dont accept " theories" only facts
This person wanted me to reply with this.............
Quote :- ... " Where would we be now if great scientist and inventors of the past never followed up a theory. "

So It seems sadly only the so called experts are to have their way....this I do not think is healthy in any debate or for wild about Britain.
Having said that I had nightmares about being chased by Giant Ladybirds so this thread is not healthy for me either.
Annmaria