Is Global Warming a Natural Phenomenon?

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by annmaria

Hi eeyore , I to am confused because someone DID bring skin cancer into the debate as another sign of the effects of global warming...........so now I am sure there is another conspiracy going on, perhaps one of you Wab admin guys deleted it because it made a hole in the pro GW argument......I know you eeyore , all that fancy dancing does not kid me , your MI8 !
Annmaria

Just to clear this up

a) I'm not on the wab admin team - well except for some mgnt of the review section

b) to suggest that any of the mod/admin guys would delete a post because it made a hole in an argument is fatuous beyond belief - not to mention offensive to the hard working and even handed mods

c) when earthheart mentioned cfcs/ skin cancer it was as an example of another similar campaign which had been dismissed at the begining but later proved beyond doubt - he was not saying that skin cancer was related to GW

[annmaria]

Eeyore, why is everything with you a massive argument , do you have one enormous chip on your shoulder.
Have NICE day
Annmaria

[annmaria]

Also with regard to accusing admin staff ( although I am sure they managed to get the drift ! ) It was a joke ! Or are you really a member of M18
You are the one being FATUOUS ( my you are so clever Eeyore )
Yes I had to look that up, thank you I think we should all strive to learn something new each day.
Annmaria

[Strontium]

Originally Posted by annmaria

See Paul this is exactly what I mean you and one or two others can border on rudeness when someone has a different opinion to your own, you seem to want to brainwash and browbeat people into agreeing with you.
Also forum rules says we are to avoid religion and politics
Have a nice evening.
Annmaria

Thanks Annmaria for re-iterating the rules of engagement for this small war of opinions

I am interested in the policies of our government when concerned with wars abroad, and issues at home like how to deal with waste, energy resources and policing of the extreme type.. (for want of less obvious and high profile words). One of the problems we face in this country is how to stay in a good economic position globally, and because we are not a nation with large resources, how do we go about it. Well what many companies do is outsourcing.. to asia. Which of course requires resources, energy resources. So the UKs economy becoming entwined with the growing asian economies - otherwise we would face a recession and imminent 3rd world status - directly effects our own fuel prices. Since the Asian economies are dumping the largest amounts of pollution into their atmosphere, rivers etc, the influence on them must be brought by some means?

[annmaria]

Ok Strontium, I think I follow that
What do you suggest?
Annmaria

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by annmaria

...are you really a member of M18

darn thats blown my cover - you realise that I'm going to have to kill you now
(and yep , that was a joke - hence the use of the joking smiley )

[Paul mabbott]

I'm not disagreeing, I did say "a major cause ...". When talking about mass tourism there's not just aviation fuel to consider but (as you mention) cement for building hotels, provision of water, loss of green space and water catchment, destruction of dune and beach systems, road transport of foods which have been intensively produced (and flatulently) &c &c ..... the list is very lengthy.

Originally Posted by eeyore

I agree entirely with you on most of your points paul - i guess the reason they took swift action on cfcs is that using inert gases as a proppelant is actually cheaper for the manufacturer and safer for their workers so it was a bit of a win/win

the only point i disagree on is that flights are a "major cause" , whilst i agree that flying uneccesarily is a bad thing flights account for only 4% of anthropogenic greenhouse emmisions. The major causes are

1) power stations burning coal and to a lesser extent oil/gas
2) cement and concrete manufacture
3) cars etc
and 4) people and livestock - both breathiing out and passing wind

[Paul mabbott]

But this isn't a matter of 'opinions' it is a matter of looking at the facts and trying not to hide from them and their implications.
Yes, I should probably keep out of this thread (I have actually been very restrained) because there are people who simply do not understand the facts and are just working out their own fantasies.
I think that the bar on 'politics' refers to party politics. Otherwise we would be unable to discuss anything relating to policies (local, national or international) or organisation. Perhaps that's what some people would prefer?

Originally Posted by annmaria

See Paul this is exactly what I mean you and one or two others can border on rudeness when someone has a different opinion to your own, you seem to want to brainwash and browbeat people into agreeing with you.
Also forum rules says we are to avoid religion and politics
Have a nice evening.
Annmaria

[annmaria]

Originally Posted by eeyore

darn thats blown my cover - you realise that I'm going to have to kill you now
(and yep , that was a joke - hence the use of the joking smiley )

Please dont kill me just yet or I might not ever learn anything else and will remain fatuous for ever.
Annmaria
P.S. Did you get that word from Magners Cider
Only joking

[annmaria]

Hi Paul , its actually supposed to be a debate, not a one sided ' you will accept MY FACTS BECAUSE MY FACTS ARE RIGHT AND YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG '
You see opinions can come into a debate as well.
Opinions are formed and discussed in a two way debate.
I will listen to what you have to say , then decide if I agree or not, probably not OK
Annmaria