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17-03-2007, 06:44 PM
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| | | Petition To Prime Minister I have lodged a petition with Downing Street in the hopes of creating a law to ban the sale of birds, being kept as pets in the UK. I wonder if you would be interested to sign the petition, so that we can obtain as many signatures as possible. We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law to ban the sale of birds in the UK.
The petition reads:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law
to ban the sale of birds in the UK
Keeping birds as pets is un-regulated and results in birds
being kept in cages too small to fly for the majority of their
lives. It also contributes to the import of illegal bird
types. Keeping birds is unnecessary and cruel and we would
like to see a law which bans the sale of birds within the UK
I have always thought the practice of keeping birds indoors in cages to be thoroughly cruel and I hope that this law could be passed, or at least that it may raise awareness of this issue in the public eye.
I would very much welcome your support. | 
17-03-2007, 07:18 PM
|  | Knight Grand Cross of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northants.
Posts: 11,627
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister I don't agree..If people want to keep caged birds they should be aloud to.. You will want to ban fishing next. Think of all the pigeon fanciers or falconers to name but a few. I don't like to think of birds being in cages that are too small but I don't think it should be banned. If they banned keeping birds how would we conserve them, a lot of birds are bred in captivity like the barn owl then re released to populate the area where there is a decline... No! not to ban.. | 
17-03-2007, 07:35 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somerset, UK
Posts: 1,530
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayleigh I don't agree..If people want to keep caged birds they should be aloud to.. You will want to ban fishing next. Think of all the pigeon fanciers or falconers to name but a few. I don't like to think of birds being in cages that are too small but I don't think it should be banned. If they banned keeping birds how would we conserve them, a lot of birds are bred in captivity like the barn owl then re released to populate the area where there is a decline... No! not to ban.. | I agree with you, Kayleigh. If people want birds they will aquire them and far better they get UK-bred birds that have been raised in clean, safe environments by experts than be stolen from the wild, often smuggled into the country in the most cruel conditions to be sold on the black market.
My local garden centre sells birds, which I was a bit unhappy about at first, but from asking lots of questions I found out that they can give you full details of the breeder, as well as the conditions the animal was raised in.
Certainly I would be happy to go on a course to certify that I was competant to keep a pet - and I mean any pet - before I was allowed to buy it, but to ban the keeping of certain animals outright will often result in them suffering more due to illegal trading.
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17-03-2007, 08:15 PM
|  | Member of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Stockport, Cheshire
Posts: 440
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister The problem isn't keeping the birds (or any 'exotic' pet for that matter) so much as lack of correct knowledge passed on by many who sell such animals.
I know this from previously owning a 'rescued' Green Iguana. Few pet shops, and even more worryingly fewer vets new the correct husbandry techniques involved with such animals and hence a great deal of animals have suffered in the past.
You know I found only two vetenary practices near to me (well within 25 miles at least!) who I considered knowledgeable enough to treat the Iggs,, and when you consider the vast numbers of these animals sold I guess I could be forgiven for thinking it would be a good idea to outlaw such animals as pets. I don't though.
TBH I think to outlaw caged birds is ludicrous like someone has already pointed out it would be fishing and dogs next (actually I could live with that  ).
This government don't need encorougment with any more ill though out authoritarian idea's in my opinion!
I would also recomend you give the petitions website a wide birth too, it's more Labour spin and only serves to make us all feel like the government listens to public opinion, but you see it is not the job of the government to listen to it's people anyway, after all we apoint the PM to make the 'best' decisions on our behalf, thats how it has always worked and how it always will work. | 
17-03-2007, 08:30 PM
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Posts: 19
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister Does that include racing pigeons? I don't do this myself but know people who race pigeons and spend a lot of time looking after them. Shouldn't you, perhaps, be asking for a law on how the birds are kept?
JB
PS: wouldn't this be a problem for hen and turkey farmers? Wouldn't mind if they lost out, perhaps.... Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdLaw I have lodged a petition with Downing Street in the hopes of creating a law to ban the sale of birds, being kept as pets in the UK. I wonder if you would be interested to sign the petition, so that we can obtain as many signatures as possible. We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law to ban the sale of birds in the UK.
The petition reads:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law
to ban the sale of birds in the UK
Keeping birds as pets is un-regulated and results in birds
being kept in cages too small to fly for the majority of their
lives. It also contributes to the import of illegal bird
types. Keeping birds is unnecessary and cruel and we would
like to see a law which bans the sale of birds within the UK
I have always thought the practice of keeping birds indoors in cages to be thoroughly cruel and I hope that this law could be passed, or at least that it may raise awareness of this issue in the public eye.
I would very much welcome your support. | | 
17-03-2007, 10:31 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kent
Posts: 1,563
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdLaw I have lodged a petition with Downing Street in the hopes of creating a law to ban the sale of birds, being kept as pets in the UK. I wonder if you would be interested to sign the petition, so that we can obtain as many signatures as possible. We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law to ban the sale of birds in the UK.
The petition reads:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Create a law
to ban the sale of birds in the UK
Keeping birds as pets is un-regulated and results in birds
being kept in cages too small to fly for the majority of their
lives. It also contributes to the import of illegal bird
types. Keeping birds is unnecessary and cruel and we would
like to see a law which bans the sale of birds within the UK
I have always thought the practice of keeping birds indoors in cages to be thoroughly cruel and I hope that this law could be passed, or at least that it may raise awareness of this issue in the public eye.
I would very much welcome your support. | Sorry i can't agree with this.. My Mum is in her 70's lives on her own and is almost totally housebound after being hit by a car two years ago
She has feeders at her window for the wild birds which she loves to watch and this gives her immense Pleasure (which is a good thing). But she also has a pet canary which she adores , It has a Large cage, and she showers it with lots of love and Kindness.. Most of the time it is her only company..How can that be wrong???? There are lots of people like my mum around!
Should we also ban, Dogs (pack animals) Cats (let them go back to being ferrel), Rabbits ( should be running around Fields) Fish ( should be swimming in rivers and the sea)?? | 
18-03-2007, 10:59 AM
|  | Wild Member | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: sunny huddersfield
Posts: 148
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister i think this is a very interesting point and it covers all pets not just birds its just too easy for people to obtain pets from the common moggie to snakes with no knowledge of how to care for them. | 
18-03-2007, 11:38 AM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grimsby, Lincs
Posts: 1,645
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister I won't be signing the petition as i personally totally disagree with it. We used to keep finches and my grandfather used to be into racing pigeons. I don't like the "Keeping birds is unnecessary and cruel " quote as i believe it to be totally inaccurate. It's coming to the point that you won't be able to do anything without somebody wanting to ban it | 
18-03-2007, 12:25 PM
|  | Knight Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: West Molesey, Surrey
Posts: 5,523
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister There has recently been a ban imposed on the international trade of wild birds throughout the EU. | 
18-03-2007, 03:22 PM
|  | Knight Grand Cross of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northants.
Posts: 11,627
| | | Re: Petition To Prime Minister Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Cheeseman There has recently been a ban imposed on the international trade of wild birds throughout the EU. | The more things are banned the more they are sort after.
I work with the elderly and we had one old lady who had a white budgie. she was very immobile so couldn't have any other pets she adored that bird. She would sit and talk to it all day when she was otherwise alone. Like someone else pointed out this will apply to the majority of elderly lonely people.
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