Save The Jevington Rabbits!

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Meadow5

not sure i can many others that on here

Comments like this really P me off - just because many people here have a more realistic and less rose tinted view of wildlife than others doesnt mean they dont care about it

many of us care passionately about the native ecosystem and part of that care is the willingness to undertake distasteful tasks like predator control arround GNB sites, grey control to protect the red, or to protect woodland ecosystems, rabbit control where populations are stupidly high (thus causing ecosystem damage and risking a population crash), or culls to break a myxi outbreak etc.

Personally I'd suggest you get off your high horse

[tufftie]

Eeyore - it's unlike you to get so narky???

This is turning into a kinda hunting debate and we are never going to agree, so debating the hunting aspect is a bit pointless.

The real point is that animals are being killed for two hamlet cricket matches a year. I know the area well and that is the only reason whey they are doing this. They don't want to put a foot down a hole. I can also tell you that there are other places that they can play it. Culling animals for two cricket matches must surely be bad to everyone???

[RoyW]

Originally Posted by tufftie

This is turning into a kinda hunting debate and we are never going to agree, so debating the hunting aspect is a bit pointless.

If you believe that then you will have to agree that the entire debate (and the petition) "is a bit pointless".

Originally Posted by tufftie

The real point is that animals are being killed for two hamlet cricket matches a year. I know the area well and that is the only reason whey they are doing this. They don't want to put a foot down a hole. I can also tell you that there are other places that they can play it. Culling animals for two cricket matches must surely be bad to everyone???

Read back through the previous posts in the thread, and take note of what they contain.
There are two main reasons for these rabbits being killed:
(1). The cricket club wish to legally control the rabbits to prevent damage to the pitch (as you state).
(2). People like to legally hunt rabbits, and no doubt use most of what they kill as food. By hunting them at the cricket pitch they are, to coin a phrase, "killing two birds with one stone".

So even if successful, a petition to prevent rabbits being killed at the cricket ground will not save rabbits (the hunters will still kill them elsewhere), it will just mean that the cricket ground will be at greater risk of being damaged by increased numbers of rabbits in the immediate area.
So rather than being pointless to debate, the hunting aspect is pretty much central to this "debate".
As it is, whether or not culling of the rabbits on the cricket ground should be allowed is purely an issue for local people (as has been said in this thread), and all names on a petition that are not those of locals should be discounted.
If hunting/control of rabbits, for whatever reason really is a problem then why not try changing the national laws? I doubt that there would be a great deal of support.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by tufftie

Eeyore - it's unlike you to get so narky???

the 'only those who hug bunnies can care about wildlife' argument just p's me off tbh - as some who's worked in conservation their whole career, I have a reasonable dislike of being told that I don't care just because i think culls are sometimes necessary (If I didnt care i'd be working in a suit somewhere and earning about 4x what i do)

Originally Posted by tufftie

The real point is that animals are being killed for two hamlet cricket matches a year. I know the area well and that is the only reason whey they are doing this. They don't want to put a foot down a hole. I can also tell you that there are other places that they can play it. Culling animals for two cricket matches must surely be bad to everyone???

the obvious solution would be rabbit proof fencing arround the sports ground, then everyone would be a winner - of course the cost is a bit of an issue but if all those who want to save the flopsy bunnies were to contribute to ...

That said so long as the kills are humane I can't get to excised about the rabbits being shot - they arent exactly endangered or short of habitat , and I would suspect that they'll end up as food anyway so its not like they are being killed pointlessly

When we look at the state of biodiversity in the UK today there are far higher priorities to get worked up about than the fate of a few bunnies

[muldonach]

Originally Posted by tufftie

Eeyore - it's unlike you to get so narky???

This is turning into a kinda hunting debate and we are never going to agree, so debating the hunting aspect is a bit pointless.

The real point is that animals are being killed for two hamlet cricket matches a year. I know the area well and that is the only reason whey they are doing this. They don't want to put a foot down a hole. I can also tell you that there are other places that they can play it. Culling animals for two cricket matches must surely be bad to everyone???

The original post was seeking support for a petition to "save" wild rabbits, on further reading it becomes apparent that what the petitioner is seeking is support for his view that a legal "hunting" activity should not take place next door to land that he owns.

It is perfectly legal to take wild rabbits in the UK providing the means and manner of despatch are humane. the petitioner is seeking to change that at a local level by appealing for support from outwith the area.

The fact that a cricket pitch is involved is neither here nor there - in the absence of an obvious public interest it is for the owners of the ground to decide whether active rabbit control can take place there or whether they prefer passive means of protection or exclusion, not a bunch of interfering neighbours who happen to disagree.

Cheers
mac

[davecatt]

[quote=RoyW;865174]If you believe that then you will have to agree that the entire debate (and the petition) "is a bit pointless".


Read back through the previous posts in the thread, and take note of what they contain.
There are two main reasons for these rabbits being killed:
(1). The cricket club wish to legally control the rabbits to prevent damage to the pitch (as you state).
(2). People like to legally hunt rabbits, and no doubt use most of what they kill as food. By hunting them at the cricket pitch they are, to coin a phrase, "killing two birds with one stone".

Roy you've missed the most relevant bit

(3) The owner of the land bordering the cricket pitch,ie the petitioner, may have a liability of responsibility in civil law to protect his neighbouring land against pest damage from his property and has failed to do so.

If he really cares about the rabbits then he could put up a suitable fence.

He came on to WAB as a new member with one aim in mind, to further his own ends, then attacked the members because the majority did not support him and then said he did not want any more to do with us.

Fare enough? No!

We all care in our own ways about nature,and most of us respect each others differing opinions, a thread like this brings out the basic division of thought on this forum. Do you believe in killing animals or not?

This guy stared things up then left rather than stay and share his views in a civilised manner and hope to persuade people to his way of thinking.

WAB has helped me to be more tolerant of different points of view (and I'm getting a bit long in the tooth now)
Dave