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30-12-2005, 03:30 PM
| | Frozen | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cornwall
Posts: 26
| | | Badger Cull Badger Culls look like it could be a countdown to extinction?
On 15th December 2005 the British Government announced a twelve week
'public consultation period' to consider whether and how to kill badgers.
Many people consider that this consultation is a sham to soften our
response to what has already been decided - a mass slaughter of a
‘protected’ native wildlife species.
Leading organisations including the RSPCA and the Wildlife Trusts
have already voiced their opposition, but only a massive public response
can prevent the killing.
It would also be helpful if you would encourage everyone you know to
support the badgers at this critical time. Please forward a copy of this message to
anyone who may care enough to help.
On behalf of Britain's badgers - thank you
Roger | 
30-12-2005, 04:21 PM
|  | Officer of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Banbury, Oxfordshire
Posts: 551
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? as you state it is only being considered?
i know someone who works for warwick university who has been doing research into badgers spreading tb for six years, and she has not yet heard of anything actually happening in the way of badger culling.
how can you stop something that hasnt started yet?....
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31-12-2005, 09:50 AM
| | Frozen | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cornwall
Posts: 26
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? Hi Sadly researchers are not necessarily kept up to date with the work of other researchers or government plans. how can you stop something that hasnt started yet?.... you ask.
That's what the 'consultation' is about. I presume that you don't know how to bring dead badgers back to life after they've been killed- so this needs to be stopped BEFORE it is done.
I don't believe everything I read in the press, but perhaps your friend may be interested in this from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
Environment
By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
A badger
Badgers: Cull planned
Animal to watch: The badger. The great badger cull, which could happen as early as June, promises to test the mettle of Ben Bradshaw, the animal welfare minister. The Government decided this month to back the slaughter of badgers in English counties badly affected by bovine tuberculosis, in combination with the pre-movement testing of cattle. The bill is likely to be £2 billion over the next decade.
The cull is expected to be carried out by farmers with the carbon monoxide from their own tractor exhausts. Animal welfare groups may be expected to challenge the strategy in court after the consultation ends in March.
regards
Roger | 
31-12-2005, 11:02 AM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 4,438
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? Ah - good old DEFRA, how is it whenever something bad looms on the horizon for British wildlife this pack of jokers have something to do with it.
Instead of going along with the age-old idea of blaming the Badger for the spread of bovine TB maybe they should look a bit closer to home.
In the wake of the last outbreak of Foot & Mouth, which was made far worse by their slow response in the initial stages of outbreak, they sanctioned the export of cows/beast from known TB hotspots in the South-West to areas decimated by the disease ie areas of the North midlands,Cumbria etc... and now suprise suprise its these areas that have an increasing problem with bovine TB, but hey, it's much easier to blame Badgers!!
As for the theory that badgers spread TB, yes, you have to conceed that they do play a part in the spread of the disease as does anything else that moves around the countryside, infact, a few years ago a senior ministry of agriculture vet told me that he was convinced that hikers/walkers played a huge part in the spread of the disease.
So whats next? is DEFRA going to have everyone who ventures out into our wonderful countryside gassed???? : | 
31-12-2005, 01:30 PM
|  | Knight Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: N.E.SOMERSET
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| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? hello fourwings,what countyside and which users would that be?,the one the current government hate so much that they are probably stockpiling the gas now!
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01-01-2006, 04:57 PM
|  | New Member | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 13
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? Sorry to be a spanner in the works here. Admittedly badgers are beautiful creatures but why shouldn't they be culled, lets face it they are not endangered to any extent and the problems they cause are manifold. They should be left to live in places where they cause no problems, no one wants to eradicate them but wildlife lovers seem to place the badger on a pedestal and worship them, or treat them like the holy grail. Lets get some perspective here wildlife has been managed by humans for hundreds if not thousands of years, it needs to continue. Sorry my first post is a contreversial one. | 
01-01-2006, 05:20 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cambridgeshire
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| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? NigelP Could you please give some of the manifold problems you say that Badgers cause. Thanks
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01-01-2006, 08:26 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 4,438
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? I must admit, I've seen many a good Maize crop ruined or seriously damaged by Badgers, plus I've seen what they can do to a lawn in pursuit of worms & flower beds in pursuit of Tulip bulbs.
Hope this proves that I'm not biased towards the Badger, I just wish DEFRA & the powers that be would examine all avenues before they embark on such a destructive path! | 
01-01-2006, 11:01 PM
|  | Commander of the Wild Empire | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: East Sussex
Posts: 1,505
| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? Having read through the consultation document and followed some of the other links, I must admit that the evidence for a cull looks thin and is driven by cost. From what I can tell, the likelihood of a significant reduction in cattle contracting bovine TB as a result of a cull is very uncertain indeed, especially as it won't be consistently implemented. The chances are it will simply move the problem elsewhere. Interesting also to note the low incidence of bovine TB in badgers (around 80% are clear according to some research).
I'm in favour of the alternatives proposed by the RSPCA of: - post-movement testing of cattle;
- quarantine arrangements for cattle moved from farm to farm;
- financial assistance to farmers to implement these and other measures to tackle bovine TB.
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01-01-2006, 11:15 PM
|  | New Member | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Yorkshire
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| | | Re: Badgers to be Killed? Quote: |
Originally Posted by wildone NigelP Could you please give some of the manifold problems you say that Badgers cause. Thanks | Damage
Damage to lawns
Badgers are an adaptable species and are good at exploiting the range of foods available in urban areas. Not least among these is the food specifically put out for them by householders. However, they also eat invertebrates and may dig shallow pits in lawns when foraging. This is often what brings badgers into conflict with householders. Earthworms are mostly taken from the surface of the ground but, during dry conditions, damage to the turf can occur. The presence of insect larvae such as those of cockchafer and crane-fly (leatherjackets) can damage a lawn and may also attract badgers. Rooting by badgers to feed on these larvae can make an existing problem worse. This kind of damage is usually short-lived and likely to be most pronounced in late Autumn and early Spring. Additional problems can be experienced when badger latrines (dung pits), which are used to mark the boundaries of territories, are sited in gardens. Damage to fruits and vegetables
Badgers are particularly partial to strawberries and raspberries and may damage soft fruit crops. They have been known to break the lower branches of fruit trees whilst feeding on apples, pears and plums, and they also eat vegetables such as potatoes, carrots and sweetcorn. Even flower bulbs may be dug up and eaten. Raiding of dustbins
Badgers will often over-turn dustbins in their search for food, especially during hot, dry summers when other sources of food may be limited. Damage to structures
Badger setts can be large, with extensive tunnel systems. When excavated beneath structures such as buildings, roads or fences, there may be a risk of subsidence. There is also potential for damage to electrical cabling and other services. Advice should be sought from Defra at an early stage if badger activity appears to be causing damage to a structure. In cases where serious damage is being or is likely to be caused, action that affects the sett may be allowed under a licence from Defra.
Damage to agricultural land ie. digging setts into bankings, out into the field causing weak spots and therefore causing a danger to machinery working on the land. Damage to crops etc.
The TB situation, although this is QED.
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