Enforce the Hunting Ban

[dickybird]

wash your mouth out squeek!!!


how could you possibly suggest something that would deny many cowardly people the right to exercise their bloodlust.

really!!!

(your post suggesting other means of controlling populations of fox etc)

dickybird

[DunkeryMunkery]

[quote=vole-woman;544258]

Originally Posted by DunkeryMunkery

Also, excuse me :-) there are no artificial earths on my farm !!

Nor have I imported foxes!
QUOTE]

I never said you personally had. But there's stacks of evidence to show hunts people are creating and maintaining artificial earths all over the country:

artificial earths - The Hunting Life

Hunters 'breeding foxes' to provide for the kill | UK news | The Observer

Conservative Animal Welfare Group

Artificial Earths

BBC - Coventry and Warwickshire Culture - 'Canned' hunting claims

Hunt `is luring foxes for the kill' - News - The Independent

I think you will agree that none of those links are evidence.

It is claims of evidence.

Now I am sure there are artificial earths somewhere, just as I am sure a labour politician has lied at some point, but none of those links are evidence.

[DunkeryMunkery]

Originally Posted by poohbear

Morons then...Nottingham 1790....Morons now.

That sounds like a good days sport.

And 10 miles per hour is good going!

[DunkeryMunkery]

Originally Posted by squeek

i have a thread around here somewhere titled "where have all my foxes gone?"

i read on here someone took out 12 in one night, well now i have my answer, i dont have any foxes b/c some one has killed them.
we counted 9 in our garden once and now there are none !
one day there wont be any of them left, they will be extinct !

This MAY be a side effect of the admirable hunting act.

And particularly relevant to English Red Deer.

It is now a free for all!

Result?

I don't think so.

[vole-woman]

[quote=DunkeryMunkery;544349]

Originally Posted by vole-woman

I think you will agree that none of those links are evidence.

Well half of them are taken from hunting sites and hunting literature. I realize, though, they're not what you want to see.

[DunkeryMunkery]

[quote=vole-woman;544380]

Originally Posted by DunkeryMunkery

Well half of them are taken from hunting sites and hunting literature. I realize, though, they're not what you want to see.

Again, not true.

The first one is from a hunting (field sports) site.

And it is on a forum where anyone can post anything.

That is far from being evidence.

I am only interested in the truth.

As i said, I amsure there is an artificial earth somewhere but what the point of it would be is beyond my comprehension!

[willing to learn]

Originally Posted by squeek

i have a thread around here somewhere titled "where have all my foxes gone?"

i read on here someone took out 12 in one night, well now i have my answer, i dont have any foxes b/c some one has killed them.
we counted 9 in our garden once and now there are none !
one day there wont be any of them left, they will be extinct !

Thats what I have been saying since the hunting ban, And the agreements don't stand any longer between the hunts and landowners and gamekeepers so instead of fox control being carried out by the hunts, more efficient and
drastic actions have been taken to eradicate the fox from vast areas of rural land. An estate north of the border where a friend of mind works, the last season the hunt was in control of the foxes, they had a bumper year and killed 13. The following 2 months after the ban a total of 247 was killed A fox now is never seen, sheep farmers are thriving, ground nesting birds including grouse have increased well over the last several years.
The losses to lowland game rearing are at a all time low. This anti hunting with hounds bill, has done more for the demise of the fox than any hunt can. I for one can see the need in some cases to control foxes, but they have a place in our countryside and it would be a sadder place without them. And I would estimate fox numbers to be at there lowest for years.
Regards
Colin

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by squeek

i have a thread around here somewhere titled "where have all my foxes gone?"

i read on here someone took out 12 in one night, well now i have my answer, i dont have any foxes b/c some one has killed them.
we counted 9 in our garden once and now there are none !
one day there wont be any of them left, they will be extinct !

Originally Posted by dickybird

wash your mouth out squeek!!!


how could you possibly suggest something that would deny many cowardly people the right to exercise their bloodlust.

really!!!

(your post suggesting other means of controlling populations of fox etc)

dickybird

it was me that mentioned 12 in a night (with a rifle and lamp) and at the time i was working for a wildlife trust - cowardice and bloodlust didnt come into the equation ( for people with a proffesed desire not to start arguments you seem awfully happy insult those that dont share your opinion), but the desire to protect schedule 1 red data listed birds (stone curlew) did - all practical non lethal methods ( electric fencing, digging the border fencing mesh into the ground etc) had already been tried without success before we turned to keepering.

12 in a night was exceptional tho - normally you'd get 2 or 3 and we didnt lamp every night, in the course of the season IIRC we took 64 , but the next year there were as many if not more, showing that we werent even putting a major dent in the breeding population (basically because the site is bordered on both sides by forestry blocks with ample uncontrolled fox poulations - thus all we could do was keep the population arround the nesting site controlled to give the GNB a reasonable chance of at least fledging some of their chicks )

of course you will probably say that if mankind hadnt destroyed the majority of the stone curlews natural habitat such suportive predator control wouldnt be necesary - and in an ideal world you'd be absolutely right - but man has done because the world we live in isnt ideal and those of us involved in conservation have to take a realistic view and deal with the situation as it is, not as we might wish it to be.

[willing to learn]

Sometime in the mid ninties, a local hunt made front page news as they was spotted releasing foxes, many half starved and ill health It turned out to be some wildlife centre trying to release mainly urban foxes that had been in their care. Its funny the retraction in the paper was about 2 lines and now where near the front page.
Regards
Colin

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by DunkeryMunkery

As i said, I amsure there is an artificial earth somewhere but what the point of it would be is beyond my comprehension!

to be fair DM in some areas ( mainly heavily farmed areas like leics and rutland) some hunts did (pre ban) engage in creating artificial earths and generally supporting fox populations (including habitat management to create coverts etc) to maintain a level where they could be hunted for sport - in those areas you often found many farmers who are opposed to "the hunt" as they are tennants and were banned from engaging in fox control by their landlords who themselves rode to hounds

that sort of set up has nothing to do with fox control and everything to do with the "sport" of the chase - which i find reppelent and pointless

that said most upland hunts and those in sheep farming areas, doubtless including your local hunt, are actually about fox control and therefore dont create earths or support populations.