Angel Fish

[Alan]

And to think, I was gonna lend you my Little Maremaid dvd collection..

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by Alan

And to think, I was gonna lend you my Little Maremaid dvd collection..

I'll be up for that Alan

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Boddie

I'll be up for that Alan

Ok we'll make a night of it mate! Do you fancy Bambi beforehand as well?

[Boddie]

You know me better than I thought

[harmonious2006]

this does not harm any cause, it offers people information, not everyone is aware of what you know, and I will continue to do this for the rest of my life and I will not be told otherwise.

THE DOLPHINS WILL LIVE

[harmonious2006]

thanks for the feedback alan.

However I feel the current conservation "way of doing things" is failing, that is why I am doing this. I do not feel this kind of action is harming the dolphins cause, this is anumbers game, forevry 1 person in the know on this particular issue how many are not?? 50,0000?

So you tell me a free cost effective way of spreading the word? Posting threads in forums maybe?

Yes I am new to this, but I will not stop, if people have acess to the info, which I provide and turn a blind eye, that's their choice but at least I tried to tell them what more can I do.?? I work 40hrs per week and get paid £5, I ahve no money and oooooooooooooooooooooooo all time!


This issue is upsetting enough without competitive sympathy from you guys.

What is wild about britain doing about this issue? Cant you organise a petition? So all the members of the forum can express their concern to japan's embassy!

we must do something aghhhh STOP THIS


I am sorry if have offended anyone, and yes as you put I think I best SPAM elsewhere, the fight goes on.

[harmonious2006]

sorry about the spelling butter fingers

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by harmonious2006

this does not harm any cause, it offers people information, not everyone is aware of what you know, and I will continue to do this for the rest of my life and I will not be told otherwise.

THE DOLPHINS WILL LIVE

Upsetting and offending people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your campaign doesnt do it any good. There is nowt wrong with posting to say "save the dolphins" or with offering information on them, their life and the campaign but pouring forth a torrent of abuse on members of this forum because they disagree with your style and approach, is hardly going to win freinds and influence people.

If you keep on being offensive and upsetting members you will be told... by the moderators.

[Alan]

Well personally I think harmonious did not intend to offend anyone by this thread, so continuing to argue about the wording won’t help matters further.

I’m sure at least harmonious may think a bit more about wording such things in the future, and for that matter, so will I. I'm sure this will help the dolphins cause.

The term ‘benefit of the doubt’ comes to mind.

I hardly think the term 'torrent of abuse' is fitting to any of the posts here, on both sides!

This thread could well turn into a ‘slanging match’, but this wont help us or the dolphins, so I think everyone should cool it!

[Airehead]

Originally Posted by Alan

Ok we'll make a night of it mate! Do you fancy Bambi beforehand as well?

Oh, sorry - I think i ate them. Little Mermaid was rather bland.

[Airehead]

[quote=harmonious2006]thanks for the feedback alan.

So you tell me a free cost effective way of spreading the word? Posting threads in forums maybe?
QUOTE]

We only objected to the irrelevant title.
If you think our (individually assessed) reaction was excessive, please note that it is not trivial-
Your original posting bore strong resemblance to the format often used by people spreading malware - a title which attracts curiosity, in the hope that the offered link or attachment will be clicked without enough thought. Most regular computer users will reject it immediately. Better to be more literal.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by harmonious2006

However I feel the current conservation "way of doing things" is failing,

Do you actually have any evidence that this is the case ? and also what do you mean by the "current way of doing things", yeah okay international discourse is not working terribly well but greenpeace, sea shepherd etc are still taking other courses of action. AS you feel so strongly about the dolpins plight why not jack your poorlypaid job and go and volunteer for one of them and take some real action.

Originally Posted by harmonious2006

that is why I am doing this. I do not feel this kind of action is harming the dolphins cause, this is anumbers game, forevry 1 person in the know on this particular issue how many are not?? 50,0000?

Doing what precisely ? , If you seriously think that posting a few threads in forums is going to make a difference... well you're entitled to your delusions i suppose... the hard fact is that most of the 50,0000 probably dont care much anyway , and you wont reach them by posting in forums like this because if they dont care about wildlife they wont be reading them anyway. - essentially you are preaching to the choir, and some of choiresters arent liking the sermon much either.

And even supposing you do get a petition together and present it to the japanese embassy do you really think they're going to care - I stongly suspect such post goes straight in the bin.

The only thing which will make japan sit up and take notice of the whaling issue is if people stop buying their goods in protest and hit them where it hurts, in the trade balance equation, and unfortunately joe public doesnt care enough to give up his play station, TV, Video, microwave etc etc.

[Captain Kev]

Well personally I think harmonious did not intend to offend anyone by this thread, so continuing to argue about the wording won’t help matters further.

I think the term is "shoot first, ask questions later", I was going to post my "Save the Sea monkeys" thread, but I daren't now

(Goes to curl up into a ball in the corner!)

[Boddie]

Cant we just ignore this thread now and let it find its was to the archives, instead of keep highlighting it by continually returning it to the top of the board?

[harmonious2006]

Thanks for the feedback

I will try a different approach me thinks.I apologise for any bad smells.

[harmonious2006]

So what do you suggest?

[harmonious2006]

MM interesting, thanks for that. you can;t win really can you??

[harmonious2006]

sorry

[Imaginos]

So, another person who cares about his/her environment is driven away from these boards by an assault from the vigilantes, again. At least the initial post was related to environmental matters, even if it was strangely titled. A term frequently used in the media at them moment is disproportionate response-a term that springs to mind here.

[Captain Kev]

Originally Posted by Imaginos

So, another person who cares about his/her environment is driven away from these boards by an assault from the vigilantes, again. At least the initial post was related to environmental matters, even if it was strangely titled. A term frequently used in the media at them moment is disproportionate response-a term that springs to mind here.

I agree Imaginos.

Please don't be disheartened Harmonious, I for one thought you conducted yourself fairly well, Don't forget that you won't possibly get a reply to your questions straight away. Also as someone's already said most people on this site do their bit for wildlife anyway, a forum is about discussion and debate so be prepared to debate, But remember that you can get a lot of help and information off this site to help your cause, Although you may or may not get direct help, members here are experienced in all types of subjects relating to conservation, ecology and general wildlife knowledge among a miriad of other subjects, and of course your passion and knowledge will add to this pool of resources.

The worst you can do by staying on this site is to learn something, teach something and make new friends.

[harmonious2006]

[quote=Captain Kev]I agree Imaginos.

Thanks guys please don't think I have lost interest in your site, I feel I must conduct a more positive approach regarding the issue elsewhere,
I don't want to bombard your site with thread after thread.

I have learn't something, I have learn't that shock tactics don't work they just scare people off, strange really as it was shock tactics which made me care about the issue.

Here is my new post,: Feedback welcome.

Whangarei, New Zealand.

A pod of dolphins is being praised for providing a protective barrier
around a group of swimmers who were being threatened by a great white shark
off the north-eastern coast of New Zealand.

Rob Howes and three other lifeguards were on a training swim about 100
yards off shore at Ocean Beach near here when the dolphins raced in and
herded the group together.


"They started to herd us up, they pushed all four of us together by doing
tight circles around us", Howe said.

He said he spotted a 10-foot-long shark cruising toward the swimmers. They
were surrounded by the dolphins for 40 minutes before they were able to
make it back to shore.

Nice one flipper!


Please return the favour, and reciprocate:

http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/

http://www.bornfree.org.uk/dolphin/dolphin.shtml


Kind regards

Harmonious

(Ps, I guess this does not help the great white shark!! which is also "Endangered" STRUTH!!! aghhhh)

[Gill Catton]

Thing is Dolphins are pretty horrible to each other from what I've seen on the telly (a lot like humans)

What I wonder is how you can be certain that they were bunching the people to gether to help or bunching the people together to provide a better target for the shark? Or that it was incidental and the people were swmming through a shoal of fish and either the dolphins were actually chasing the fish or were bunching the people together to prevent them from breaking up the shoal of fish.

The first interpretation may be right it's certainly a lovely story, it's just I'm not sure you can be certain of this esp in a species that rapes and murders and abducts (though again this is analysis of behaviour from a human perspective which is probably inappropriate)

When I come back as a Dolphin that is when I guess I'd find out!!

[Captain Kev]

A pod of dolphins is being praised for providing a protective barrier
around a group of swimmers who were being threatened by a great white shark
off the north-eastern coast of New Zealand.

I've heard lots of anecdotal evidence of this happening with humans quite a few times, apparently it's also what Dolphins do to protect their young, perhaps this instinct to protect is so strong in them that they sometimes include us. Other animals protect us, i.e. a dog will protect it's owner or sometimes something within it's territory, One of mine guarded a duckling. so why wouldn't a Dolphin do this kind of thing also. We have people on this forum that probably know quite a lot more than me about Dolphins, perhaps they could throw more light on this.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by harmonious2006

I have learn't something, I have learn't that shock tactics don't work they just scare people off, strange really as it was shock tactics which made me care about the issue.

Here is my new post,: Feedback welcome.

Whangarei, New Zealand.

A pod of dolphins is being praised for providing a protective barrier
around a group of swimmers who were being threatened by a great white shark
off the north-eastern coast of New Zealand.

Rob Howes and three other lifeguards were on a training swim about 100
yards off shore at Ocean Beach near here when the dolphins raced in and
herded the group together.


"They started to herd us up, they pushed all four of us together by doing
tight circles around us", Howe said.

He said he spotted a 10-foot-long shark cruising toward the swimmers. They
were surrounded by the dolphins for 40 minutes before they were able to
make it back to shore.

Nice one flipper!


Please return the favour, and reciprocate:

http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/

http://www.bornfree.org.uk/dolphin/dolphin.shtml


Kind regards

Harmonious

thats a much more positive and approacheable message harmonious , well done ! you might like to pm stu or GLsammy and ask them to change the title of the thread to something less ambiguous , and also to delete the discussion above your last post so that it starts again with a clean sheet.

[harmonious2006]

[quote=Gill Catton]Thing is Dolphins are pretty horrible to each other from what I've seen on the telly (a lot like humans)

Hi gill, maybe the dolphins have a dark side too, who knows, but I mean they are hunted by us, so maybe they feel frustrated with us, I think they are capable of greatness like us, sometimes they get angry so do we, but I think we should protect them purely on the basis of their intellectual level.

I mean if there is more competition for survival due to depleted fish stocks, eventually this could taint their emotions in some way??

After all... After humankind what creatures are next in line to the throne? Monkeys?, Apes? Whales and dolphins? maybe the giant squid.

My point is, that the way things are going in terms of environment destruction, Extinction threats to mankind AIDS,WAR etc, if we as a species don't survive I think cetaceans may pick up the batten.

And if the earth is alive and aware, and humans destroy the environment and deplete the top 1 mile surface bio diversity of the oceans, I don't think the earth will be able to produce another being capable of such enlightened cognitive process. It is imperative that these creatures are protected in-case we as a species don't survive.

Just out of interest how long did it take for man to evolve or whales and dolphins for that matter? And when will the sun go super nova?

I think if "GAIA" The earth’s consciousness wants to survive and spread it's gene through out the universe, it will need enlightened clever self aware creatures to evolve and survive. And carry out this process (GREG BEARS THE FORGE OF GOD)

And as you know time is running out for GAIA.

Something else to bear in mind is that I heard a story that a diver was surrounded by dolphins and they beamed telepathic messages to his brain which created a sense of love and euphoria, The lady was overwhelmed by the love she felt from the dolphins.

I think dolphins maybe more important than we think.

But hey I don't know what to belive anymore, why can't thing sjust be simple and nice.

Maybe this should go into the philosphy section.

Please I welcome any feedback on my questions.

Harmonious