Help My Quest

WildLife Warrior · #1 (**permalink**) 25-12-2007, 09:35 PM

Ok i feel this counts as a petition as whales are also visitors to our shores so here goes.
I am appealing to everyone who loves and adores wildlife and the environment. I am currently reaching out globally to get as many people to stand up and be counted by signing my petition. I have started a petition to ban whaling in all waters forever. As a WildLife Warrior this is my mission and i will accomplish it no matter what it takes. My passion and enthusiasm to see this through is extremely strong and i will make it happen. I want to see Steve Irwin honoured forever with this law passed. Steve wanted whaling stopped and i want to see this happen.I won't stop until it does and i appeal to everyone out there to help me. All you need to do is sign my online petition.I have several running all at once but all roads lead to Rome so to say...well all the petitions are the same and lead to one outcome. You can help me here by signing your name, county and country in this topic post so that i can add you to my online petition. This petition will eventually be taken by me in person to the UK primeminster. I will be organising a meeting with him as i feel this all needs to be done face to face. As Steve Irwin would have said....you need to stand up and shout to get your message heard and that's exactly what i plan to do. So please help me and i will be eternally grateful.

naturelover · #2 (**permalink**) 25-12-2007, 10:08 PM

hi yes i will sign your petition,tell me how to please.

WildLife Warrior · #3 (**permalink**) 25-12-2007, 11:10 PM

To join my petition please send an email with your full name, county, country and a little piece about why you feel whaling needs to be banned forever to jayjaybee01@yahoo.co.uk.

When i recieve the emails they will automatically be added to the email collection of signitures.

eeyore · #4 (**permalink**) 26-12-2007, 08:36 PM

i'm not knocking your aims , but a few points come to mind.

a) unless you are a representative of a major group (such a greenpeace), or one of mr browns constituents - I would rate your chances of arranging a face to face meeting with the PM as approximately nil

b) this being the case wouldnt you be better off setting up a petition on the downing streeet website , or indeed promoting one of the anti whaling petitions already running, or one of the ones based on the main organisation websirtes , greenpeace , IFAW etc ( a link to the iFAW website campaign against whaling can be found here http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/def...17846&aid=9466 )

c) The UK doesnt do whaling anyway - so wouldnt it make more sense to target the nations that do (iceland, russia, japan principally)

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d) if you are set on doing your own , there is some evidence to suggest that the govt logs petitions from individuals as one piece of correspondence regardless of how many names there are on it - therefore it is better to provide a form letter and get people to email it to their MP or MEP individually.

WildLife Warrior · #5 (**permalink**) 26-12-2007, 09:23 PM

Points taken into account. However there are just a few little things that count to me.

A) The current groups already promoting anti whaling are doing things their way..this may or may not be the right way but i have my own ways of getting the message across and so therefore have a different way of doing things.

B) Ok Mr Brown may not meet me the first time but i can be very persistent and i will get a meeting....i am determined and have alot of faith and at the end of the day faith and determination is all i need to succeed.

C) I have the spirit of Steve Irwin behind me...one man changed the world, he showed others that all is takes is one person...just one person to stand up and shout to get the message heard and that is what i am planning to do. He had his own ways of saving animals as do i....i can and will change the current consititution no matter how long it takes for me to do it...my passion and detemination will see me through.

D) The UK as i believe is a model country...everyone looks to us for answers and in times of trouble. It takes one to lead and the others will follow.

E) Belief and hope are two of the strongest things you can ever hold and i hold them both. I will succeed and nothing is going to stop me. Did you know that Steve actually wanted to stop whaling before he died...he was planning to join the Sea Shepherd crew...he even said to Terri that they could attach a giant can opener to the back of Croc One and would go to Antartica and stop the Japanese from whaling...now that's extreme and different..and you know what...that's just the way it should be done...new ways and methods of safeguarding animals and getting the word out need to be created and he is my guiding light in this. In the short of it...nothing on this earth apart from death itself will stop me from doing this and getting things changed. I have plans..big plans and if it means travelling to different countries to spread the word then so be it.

eeyore · #6 (**permalink**) 27-12-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WildLife Warrior

The current groups already promoting anti whaling are doing things their way..this may or may not be the right way but i have my own ways of getting the message across and so therefore have a different way of doing things.

Could you tell us more about you new an innovative way of doing things - not wishing to be cynical but it appears you are simply starting a petition - it would be interesting to hear how this differs from the other petitions already in progress ?

NickCantle · #7 (**permalink**) 27-12-2007, 04:04 PM

Echoed Pete, most interesting.

tufftie · #8 (**permalink**) 27-12-2007, 07:17 PM

We were doing a big campaign round here last year and the advice we were given is do individual letters - petitions only count as one no matter the amount of names. Certainly the councils, not sure about other bodies, do try and put you off doing it as it's more paperwork for them but they can't refuse them so!

Good Luck, what you're trying to do is great - but think you maybe better off trying to join forces with one of the other organisations - they'll have more clout than an individual!

WildLife Warrior · #9 (**permalink**) 27-12-2007, 08:11 PM

Eeyore yes it may appear that i am just starting a petition but the petition is just the basis of the project. Now if i was to say im planning on going out to the coast of Antartica and sinking a few whaling vessels there would be outrage on here wouldn't there.

I have my plans and they are big plans. I know what i am doing and how i am to do it. The signitures are the base. The individuals who sign the petition are also writing individual letters to accompany their signiture and these are being sent to me by email as well. The petitons are being run on several sites around the globe and i am missing out doing the local government one as they have a limit of just 200 signitures and then the petitions get closed...sorry but 200 is not going to change things.

As for the group...im a Wildlife Warrior-I belong to Steve Irwin's group whole heartedly. I have already been in contact with Australia zoo and they have told me that they have plans to start and anti whaling campaign which i can join as soon as it's running but for now i am to carry on my work. So you see i will have voices. I just have to wait for them to rise and then my plans can come into action.

It does appear to me however eeyore that you don't truly believe that one person can change the world or that people in a whole can change the world. Well i do believe and no cynacism is going to make me believe otherwise. I have belief that i can change this world...like i said...only death itself will stop me and if i have to die in the process of fighting for wildlife and the environment then so be it...yes that may be extreme but that is me inside and out.

blackmarlin · #10 (**permalink**) 30-12-2007, 01:10 AM

Wildlife warrior I agree with you aims so count me in

clover green · #11 (**permalink**) 30-12-2007, 06:20 PM

You can only "dare to try" / "dare to win". Good luck, as it always takes a bit of a maverick to attempt these things.

loony · #12 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 01:17 PM

hi wildlife warrior , i`m new to this website and only joined on jan 3rd and people have made me welcome . i`ve been looking at other forums and saw yours and like you hate whaling and want it stopped! i`m one of steve`s wildlife warriors too so you can add my name etc to your petition --sue webster , welshgirl1032003@yahoo.com. i really admire what you are doing and hope so much that whaling can be stopped now. i`m also in greenpeace and other groups .

WildLife Warrior · #13 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 08:25 PM

Hi there Loony aka Sue....i will be sure to add you to the petition. It is growing steadily now and is active in 20 sites so far around the world and it has even reached the Japanese which i am glad for and they are actually signing it which is a good step forward. So far it's live in the UK, Japan, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand and i set up more each day.

Glad to meet a fellow WildLife Warrior on here...will be good to keep in touch..there don't seem to be many of us in the UK.

loony · #14 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:00 PM

hi wildlife warrior just seen your reply and glad you have added me to your petition . we certainly need more people to sign up and stop the destruction of the world`s wildlife .

eeyore · #15 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WildLife Warrior

Eeyore yes it may appear that i am just starting a petition but the petition is just the basis of the project. Now if i was to say im planning on going out to the coast of Antartica and sinking a few whaling vessels there would be outrage on here wouldn't there.

I have my plans and they are big plans. I know what i am doing and how i am to do it. The signitures are the base. The individuals who sign the petition are also writing individual letters to accompany their signiture and these are being sent to me by email as well. The petitons are being run on several sites around the globe and i am missing out doing the local government one as they have a limit of just 200 signitures and then the petitions get closed...sorry but 200 is not going to change things.

As for the group...im a Wildlife Warrior-I belong to Steve Irwin's group whole heartedly. I have already been in contact with Australia zoo and they have told me that they have plans to start and anti whaling campaign which i can join as soon as it's running but for now i am to carry on my work. So you see i will have voices. I just have to wait for them to rise and then my plans can come into action.

It does appear to me however eeyore that you don't truly believe that one person can change the world or that people in a whole can change the world. Well i do believe and no cynacism is going to make me believe otherwise. I have belief that i can change this world...like i said...only death itself will stop me and if i have to die in the process of fighting for wildlife and the environment then so be it...yes that may be extreme but that is me inside and out.

but dont the individuals who sign up have the right to know what you will be doing before they associate their names with it ? for example i would have no qualms with having my name associated with a reputable campaign such as that conducted by ifaw but if you were really planning on sinking a few whaling vessels or taking other dubious forms of direct action then i would be much less happy to be associated with it.

my view is yes individuals can change the world if they act together (to whit the anti cfc campaigns in the eighties and nineties) but it is important that in doing so they stay within the law, or at least within the bounds of civilised and reasonable conduct, as to stray outside these only discredits the environmental movement as a whole and gives policy makers that much more ammunition to disregard all eco views as being extremist thus doing far more harm than good in the long run

paulchandler6 · #16 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eeyore

but dont the individuals who sign up have the right to know what you will be doing before they associate their names with it ? for example i would have no qualms with having my name associated with a reputable campaign such as that conducted by ifaw but if you were really planning on sinking a few whaling vessels or taking other dubious forms of direct action then i would be much less happy to be associated with it.

my view is yes individuals can change the world if they act together (to whit the anti cfc campaigns in the eighties and nineties) but it is important that in doing so they stay within the law, or at least within the bounds of civilised and reasonable conduct, as to stray outside these only discredits the environmental movement as a whole and gives policy makers that much more ammunition to disregard all eco views as being extremist thus doing far more harm than good in the long run

I would echo your comments eeyore. I know how the warrior feels but you need to take moderate a approach to this otherwise the politicians and policy makers will just write you off.

Paul

WildLife Warrior · #17 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 08:21 PM

Eeyore you seem to miss the point...i never said i was planning to sink whaling ships....i mentioned in on purely a comment whim on the fact that you were automatically thinking that i was doing no more than a petition. Do you seriously think i have enough money to sail off to Antartica to do so.

I am doing more than a petition but it is hard to explain in terms you maY understand and not jump to conclusions with. I operate within the law but it doesn't mean i won't push boundaries...if nobody pushed boundaries there wouldn't be changes within the world.

What you need to do is stop just automatically assuming. I will be keeping people updated who sign this petition and since only two people from here have signed it...well it don't really matter does it....after all...im being too extreme aren't i.

Things need to change in the world and if we always keep backing down and never testing boundaries we are going to forever remain in a stagnant state that will never see any changes. I want to see changes so i will test boundaries to see where it gets me...new approaches need to be made if progress is to ever form....and for your information the part i mentioned about wanting to sink whaling ships...i think you will find that was actually one of Steve Irwins ideas....he always said to Terri that he would like to attach a giant can opener to the back of his research vessel Croc 1 and sail to Antartica and stop the Japanese....you going to turn round and say that he would have been out of order...that is not out of order to me...that is PASSION.

eeyore · #18 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 10:46 PM

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Do you seriously think i have enough money to sail off to Antartica to do so.

no actually I dont - but if you are doing more than a petition then lets hear what , it cant be too hard to explain if you are going to keep everyone who signs your petition updated.

I would suspect that the reason only two people here have signed is not to do with your being extreme but more that most people may have signed the mainstream petitions already and are may be, like me, suspicious of your reluctance to explain what your campaign might involve.

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Originally Posted by wildlife warrior

...about wanting to sink whaling ships...i think you will find that was actually one of Steve Irwins ideas....he always said to Terri that he would like to attach a giant can opener to the back of his research vessel Croc 1 and sail to Antartica and stop the Japanese....you going to turn round and say that he would have been out of order...that is not out of order to me...that is PASSION.

Actually I was going to say that he was joking - steve irwin was undoubtedly intelligent enough to realise that as soon as one whaler was sunk by eco activists sympathy for his cause would evaporate and he and his fellow travelers would be totally discredited and branded terrorists.

And talking of pushing the boundaries I do have an inovative idea which i am happy to hold forth on

Take some active sonar technology ( which ought to be readily available military surplus now that the cold war is over) , program it to the sonar pulse and frequency of a whale in distress (recordings available from the oceanographic institute at woods hole CA) , then team it with some longlife batteries and get a frog man to attach the units with a magnetic plate to the underneath of as many whalers as you can find. No whale in its right mind is going to come within miles of another one shouting that he is being mugged.

You find the funding and the skilled operatives to do this and you could be on to a real way to damage the whaling trade without breaking major laws or losing public sympathy.

course back in the real world it will never happen cos the money just aint there, but its a nice idea in theory.

WildLife Warrior · #19 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 08:27 PM

Ok Mr Cynical you want to know my plans...well here goes. I have the petition which is my back drop. This petition is currently running in 45 forums..not bad since i only started it just before Christmas. It is also running via email, myspace and facebook. Alongside that it is running on 32 petition sites acrss the world...ports of call include Canada, USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Japan...the latter being my main target and you know what...the Japanese are signing it so they must view it as wrong as well. When the Japanese petition has finished in the middle of the 2009 i plan to fly out to Japan and meet with a very close friend who has guaranteed that i can deliver the petition to the Japanese government officials in person..it's called having friends in high places.phase 1.Phase 2 will be to copy each and every petition and accompying letter and deliver them to every world leader.

Phase 3-To spend sme time in Japan teaching the children of the country about whale and animals conservation as a whole...as Steve Irwin says..conservation through exciting education...the children are the future and need to be taught how to be a wildlife warrior. This will mean travelling to as many schools as i can in the time i will have...and before you say anything i have already checked it out and i am allowed to do it.

Phase 4-Spending as much time up and down this country and in other countries educating and enlightening people about whaling and the need to protect these creatures. This will also involve visiting schools, nurseries, play schemes up and down the UK too and again before you say i can't do it...i can..i work with children so i have already found all the details out that neds to be found.

Phase 5-Get a huge protfolio of evidence together to support all my actions that will further incur. Then it will be magazine and newspaper targeting. For now i feel it is enough to let you know about the first 5 phases and leave the last 5 phases until the time has come. Midway through phase 3 i will be joining forces with the WildlLife Warriors campaign that Terri will be running so i will have more links.

You seem very adept that no-one would ever give funding to certain causes..well i have found that it is not the case. I have a gift of getting messages across and have some very high placed friends who i know will support me throughout the cause.

And you obviously don't know Steveo that well...the only reason..god bless him that he didn't attach that giant can opener and sink the whaling fleets is because Terri wouldn't let him..plus he had little Bindi at the time....if it had just been him he would have....his passion for WildLife was extraordinary...more than anyone on this planet and he always said he lived for wildlife and would die for wildlife. If he had done that his fans would have been behind him...well all except a few such as yourselves who clearly like to stick to the old methods....it appears that myself and you see things differently and this will not resolve but i will not back down..i know what i need to do and just one single person....and you are the only person in all forums, webpages, meeting webs and petitions that i have set up that has tried to back me down and make me feel like what i am doing will not work for love nor money but i tell you what...your just one...one person out of billions and it won't stop me or my passion.

eeyore · #20 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 09:17 PM

Okay - I'll go with that - I am slightly doubtful about the " present copies to every world leader" - because unless your freind is general secretary of the UN it seems unlikely that they can arrange that but other than that a good plan and one I will hapily support - I will sign up next time i access one of my email accounts.

As a matter of interest what did you think of my idea re active sonar ? - If you are as adept at getting funding for your cause as you claim could it really be done ?

The point you have missed is that i am not trying to back you down or to foil your plan - I merely wanted to know exactly what you had planned before I signed up to it and recomended freinds to do the same, and was troubled by your reluctance to reveal your plan - now that you have done so I am happy to give it my full backing.

If you need a photographer for your press and media targeting (at least within the uk) then please feel free to let me know - I am at the end of the day as commited to saving our cetacean buds as the next person and if i can help (within the law) then I will

paulchandler6 · #21 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 09:56 PM

Good luck with your quest. I'm sure you know what your up against with business interests, political compromises and general apathy.
Education is the key so go for it.

Paul

Xanadu2 · #22 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WildLife Warrior

Ok Mr Cynical you want to know my plans...well here goes. I have the petition which is my back drop. This petition is currently running in 45 forums..not bad since i only started it just before Christmas. It is also running via email, myspace and facebook. Alongside that it is running on 32 petition sites acrss the world...ports of call include Canada, USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Japan...the latter being my main target and you know what...the Japanese are signing it so they must view it as wrong as well. When the Japanese petition has finished in the middle of the 2009 i plan to fly out to Japan and meet with a very close friend who has guaranteed that i can deliver the petition to the Japanese government officials in person..it's called having friends in high places.phase 1.Phase 2 will be to copy each and every petition and accompying letter and deliver them to every world leader.

Phase 3-To spend sme time in Japan teaching the children of the country about whale and animals conservation as a whole...as Steve Irwin says..conservation through exciting education...the children are the future and need to be taught how to be a wildlife warrior. This will mean travelling to as many schools as i can in the time i will have...and before you say anything i have already checked it out and i am allowed to do it.

.it appears that myself and you see things differently and this will not resolve but i will not back down..i know what i need to do and just one single person....and you are the only person in all forums, webpages, meeting webs and petitions that i have set up that has tried to back me down and make me feel like what i am doing will not work for love nor money but i tell you what...your just one...one person out of billions and it won't stop me or my passion.

I haven't taken in all the details yet, but I admire your spirit! Good Luck!

There is a quote I can't quite remember at this time of night about individuals being able to change the world.

WildLife Warrior · #23 (**permalink**) 09-01-2008, 08:42 PM

Thank you for the support Eeyore...it is greatly appreciated and when the time comes for the photos for the press i will be sure to let you know.

Your idea on the active sonar is actually quite good and im willing to give anything a blast. I shall also pass the idea onto Terri at Australia Zoo and of course the Sea Shepherd crew. It could be done.....funding shouldn't be a problem...after all there is always a way...you just have to be patient enough to find your way through the maze....what would need to be sorted is a ship or current ship/charity that would be willing enough to sit at sea and use it during the whaling seasons.

The presenting copies to world leaders is going to be the most difficult aspect but i know that as with every government there are loopholes and other cases that i can use as ammunition for my cause...the Japanese are the main centre of my target...i have my guy who can get me in there...as for the rest of the world leaders...im willing to give it a shot...see where it gets me.

One thing i did find out today that really wound me up and annoyed me is that the British Government has just announced a law to repeal the Fraudulent Mediums Act...im sorry but come on....that is a trivial cause...all that is happening in the world and they all decide to sit down and solve this...it will make a good piece of ammunition i believe....as a government they shpuld be fighting causes that will better this world as a whole...not trivial things that can really wait further down the line....those sort of things really annoy me.