Trump off - petition against his proposed development on SSI near Aberdeen

[Perry Grin]

BBC NEWS | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Ministers to decide Trump plans

According to this news article the Scottish Parliament is considering overturning the local councils decision to reject planning permission for Trump to build a large golf course/hotel/residential comples on land including the SSI at Menie, Aberdeenshire.

Please add your name to the Downing Street petition below to stop develpoment on this land

Petition to: back SNH and stop Donald Trump from building a golf course in Aberdeenshire that will damage a SSSI and one of the top 5 dune sites in the UK.

Thanks in advance

[buteo_buteo]

I'm confused why this is a Downing Street petition, considering the planning process is a devolved matter. Can anyone enlighten me?

FWIW I agree the wig wearing billionaire should not be allowed to build his golf resort on the current proposed site

[naturelover]

have signed.

[Tormentil]

I thought the application had been turned down.

[buteo_buteo]

Originally Posted by Tormentil

I thought the application had been turned down.

Well the council rejected it, but the Scottish Government have decided in their wisdom that it's far too important to the Scottish economy to be decided by the council (the votes cast were 7 to 7 so the final decision went to the head honcho) so they are now reconsidering it. Very unusual as an applicant usually has to lodge an appeal before the Government gets involved, and Trump has not done this and has simply said you have 30 days to decide (i.e. grant permission) or I'll build my resort over in Northern Ireland! Talk about having the government by the short and curlies!!!

I think it's disgusting that such an important area would even be considered as a good place to build an elitist village and golf course. Yes, it would bring some jobs to the local community and provide an injection of cash to our economy but once a site like this is gone...it's gone, and it opens the floodgates for other developers to do the same elsewhere. RSPB and Scottish Natural Heritage have offered to liaise with Trump to come up with an alternative scheme which will not affect local wildlife but he's said 'no compromise'!

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

I've been following this story from the start and have been amazed that it has got this far. For the Scottish government to now get involved is stupid. How much money will all the enquiries cost and for what reason, just so one man can build on his greed. When will they ever learn. Never I guess.
I have signed.

BWD

[MikefromNEaberdeen]

Hi, I have a number of questions for the enraged few.


How often do you currently access this historic Sand dune?

Where were you when they built 3 landfills in the very near vicinity?

What is the problem with a huge green thing being grown north of Balmedie?
ie grass, bushes, scrub, water features for birds to drink out of etc


Having seen the number of votes cast FOR the proposed development on the government petition/in local papers/in local opinion polls. It does seem a rather nice example of Direct democracy.

Direct democracy is a political system where the citizens participate in the decision making personally, contrary to relying on intermediaries or representatives.

Please feel free to visit the other historic Sand dune outside my house as I never see anything on it but a few seagulls.

Bring on the bulldozers....

[rainmaker]

[Here fishy fishy....]

Mike (or should that be Don? ), the most annoying thing for those of us who live NOWHERE NEAR the Aberdeenshire dunes is that those sorts of things DO exist near-ish to most of us in different parts of the country - and if one can be "destroyed" for commercial gain, so can all the others.

The biggest bugbear - if the whole world is about to implode due to global climate change, and the government keeps harping on about trying to save the planet, why is it even being considered? Period?

[buteo_buteo]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

[Here fishy fishy....]

Mike (or should that be Don? ), the most annoying thing for those of us who live NOWHERE NEAR the Aberdeenshire dunes is that those sorts of things DO exist near-ish to most of us in different parts of the country - and if one can be "destroyed" for commercial gain, so can all the others.

The biggest bugbear - if the whole world is about to implode due to global climate change, and the government keeps harping on about trying to save the planet, why is it even being considered? Period?

Yes, it's not about the site in particular, it's about big business thinking they can destroy areas of natural beauty and replace them with a development which can only be used by people who have enough money to be members/residents/holidaymakers. This affects everyone in the country, as it could be our backyard next

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

It's strange how some people think they can do what they like. Here's a snippet from an article from March. The link to the complete article is below

Mr Trump, speaking on his website, said: "I have been actively looking for links land in Europe for the past few years.
"Of course my preference was Scotland over any other country because I am half Scottish - my mother, Mary MacLeod, is from Stornoway.
"When I saw this piece of land I was overwhelmed by the imposing dunes and rugged Aberdeenshire coastline. I knew that this was the perfect site for Trump International, Scotland.
"I have never seen such an unspoilt and dramatic sea side landscape and the location makes it perfect for our development.

So why does he seem to think he has the right to ruin our island? With all the extra visitors expect another landfill sight as well.

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Trump tees up golf centre project

BWD

[John D]

DOWNING STREET has NO say in this matter. It is down to the SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT to overturn or accept the decision that has already been made by the local planning authority.
John D

[aestarte]

When I saw this piece of land I was overwhelmed by the imposing dunes and rugged Aberdeenshire coastline. I knew that this was the perfect site for Trump International, Scotland.
"I have never seen such an unspoilt and dramatic sea side landscape and the location makes it perfect for our development.

If he thinks it's so beautiful why does he want to change it and stick an ugly golf course on it. Signed it. Fi. X X X X

[agrumpycow]

Originally Posted by Billy Wobble Dagger

So why does he seem to think he has the right to ruin our island?

BWD

Because he has money and unfortunately money is a lot more powerful than any petition or voice can ever be. Very sad.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by John D

DOWNING STREET has NO say in this matter. It is down to the SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT to overturn or accept the decision that has already been made by the local planning authority.
John D

good point john - i was about to say the same - if you want to object to this dont sign the petition on the downing street website - send email to the first minister of scotland, or the scottish cabinet minister responsible for environment/development issues See this link for names and contacts http://www.scotland.gov.uk/About/14944/Scottish-Cabinet (and/or contact your MSP if you live north of the border) - not that they'll take any notice but hey you do what you can.

[MikefromNEaberdeen]

Most of us simple NE folk are probably not as media savvy as you bunch about how to get our own way, however:

Petition to: support Donald Trump's scheme for investing in a world class Golf Center in Aberdeenshire that will bring employment and a host of opportunities to the North East of Scotland.

Almost 15,000 signatures last time I checked, all will be local to NE scotland.
Not bad for a city with Pop 200K or so...

The people have spoken up here, just a shame U dont want to listen.

Quick straw poll on where this thread is coming from: (Not many AB's in ur postcodes)
cambridgeshire
Nth Lincs
West Oxfordshire
West Lothian
bridgwater somerset
Reading, Berkshire
Chilterns

The biggest thing I sense in the Anti development movement is really an Anti Donald Trump thing.
Now I dont know what ur problem with rich people is but i'd try to get over it as they pay most of our wages

Hope to see you all on NE's historic Sand dunes soon
Or do u have bigger bras to burn...

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by MikefromNEaberdeen

Most of us simple NE folk are probably not as media savvy as you bunch about how to get our own way, however:

Petition to: support Donald Trump's scheme for investing in a world class Golf Center in Aberdeenshire that will bring employment and a host of opportunities to the North East of Scotland.

Almost 15,000 signatures last time I checked, all will be local to NE scotland.
Not bad for a city with Pop 200K or so...

The people have spoken up here, just a shame U dont want to listen.

Quick straw poll on where this thread is coming from: (Not many AB's in ur postcodes)
cambridgeshire
Nth Lincs
West Oxfordshire
West Lothian
bridgwater somerset
Reading, Berkshire
Chilterns

The biggest thing I sense in the Anti development movement is really an Anti Donald Trump thing.
Now I dont know what ur problem with rich people is but i'd try to get over it as they pay most of our wages

Hope to see you all on NE's historic Sand dunes soon
Or do u have bigger bras to burn...

The problem is money, you have already showed you ignorance of a important natural habitat by saying there are just afew seagulls on it, when it has quite extensive species lists. You may say its nothing to do with us, but if you actually took the time to understand the dynamics of ecology you would realize that sites like this become a stronghold for species these species then spread from this point colonizing new areas and spreading round the country. These places dont just focus inside themselves. A Golf course is far less diverse than a dune system.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by MikefromNEaberdeen

Most of us simple NE folk are probably not as media savvy as you bunch about how to get our own way, however:

Petition to: support Donald Trump's scheme for investing in a world class Golf Center in Aberdeenshire that will bring employment and a host of opportunities to the North East of Scotland.

Almost 15,000 signatures last time I checked, all will be local to NE scotland.
Not bad for a city with Pop 200K or so...

The people have spoken up here, just a shame U dont want to listen.

Quick straw poll on where this thread is coming from: (Not many AB's in ur postcodes)
cambridgeshire
Nth Lincs
West Oxfordshire
West Lothian
bridgwater somerset
Reading, Berkshire
Chilterns

The biggest thing I sense in the Anti development movement is really an Anti Donald Trump thing.
Now I dont know what ur problem with rich people is but i'd try to get over it as they pay most of our wages

Hope to see you all on NE's historic Sand dunes soon
Or do u have bigger bras to burn...

the local people up there have indeed spoken - when the council planning authority - who probably mostly live in the AB post codes, and represent the 200+ thousand people - found against the development. That should have been the end of the matter and the Scottish parliment has no place to interfere in the devolved planning process.

Also 15,000 out of 200,000 is 7.5% of the population - hardly what you could call a storming mandate for the development

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

The problem is money, you have already showed you ignorance of a important natural habitat by saying there are just afew seagulls on it, when it has quite extensive species lists. You may say its nothing to do with us, but if you actually took the time to understand the dynamics of ecology you would realize that sites like this become a stronghold for species these species then spread from this point colonizing new areas and spreading round the country. These places dont just focus inside themselves. A Golf course is far less diverse than a dune system.

Yes I was quite suprised to see such a statment coming from someone who claims to be in Natural England! (yet based in Scotland) Also last time I looked SSSIs weren't preserved for people to walk on but primarily for the wildlife value - its surely possible to value something you've never physically visited?

I thoroughly agree with you here Dogghound, there may have been landfil built around this thing but for me that's the key point they were built around (and I hope accompanied by a thorough Ecological Impact Assessment with monitoring and any potential remediation included as a condition - to be enforced by NE and other relevant parties)

Is the golf course to retain the SSSI as they are and protect them? If they were built around them - maybe include a larger buffer and beneficial adjacent habitats I'd be more inclined to think better of the development - for me there are very very few excuses to destroy a SSSI. I have to say though I'd still rather it was a British developer and that all of the resulting money would remain in our economy rather than stretch the bank balance of an American fat cat. .

[MikefromNEaberdeen]

ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Love the maths lesson, thx

Although being no poll expert like you i probably wouldn't be expecting 200K votes on the government petition, but like I said im no expert...

However why not check the goverment petitions to get a wee taster.
currently:

6,909 votes against proposal, feel free to click on link at top of thread

14,273 votes for proposal, feel free to click on my link

So thats more than 2:1 in favor going by these government petition things. Probably a bit low going by local opinion but then who cares.
Its why the local councilors had to do something, they were gonna be looking for new jobs if the didn't.


Also NE, Stands for North East, and just to let U all know up front there is a North East in Scotland. Not just in Englandshire.


In fact I seriously doubt many of you could find Scotland on a map...
Let alone revel in its many natural beauties and great golf courses.


ps Look forward to uez all jumping on ur bmx's and coming up soon, U can pitch ur tents in my garden if u dont want to camp on the sand dune

[buteo_buteo]

Originally Posted by MikefromNEaberdeen

ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Love the maths lesson, thx

Although being no poll expert like you i probably wouldn't be expecting 200K votes on the government petition, but like I said im no expert...

However why not check the goverment petitions to get a wee taster.
currently:

6,909 votes against proposal, feel free to click on link at top of thread

14,273 votes for proposal, feel free to click on my link

So thats more than 2:1 in favor going by these government petition things. Probably a bit low going by local opinion but then who cares.
Its why the local councilors had to do something, they were gonna be looking for new jobs if the didn't.


Also NE, Stands for North East, and just to let U all know up front there is a North East in Scotland. Not just in Englandshire.


In fact I seriously doubt many of you could find Scotland on a map...
Let alone revel in its many natural beauties and great golf courses.


ps Look forward to uez all jumping on ur bmx's and coming up soon, U can pitch ur tents in my garden if u dont want to camp on the sand dune

I'm sick of people saying 'If ur nae fi here it's nothing tae dae wi' ye'..this has EVERYTHING to do with us, whether from Aberdeen or not. As I said before this is just one site and if this goes ahead (in it's current format) it could well open the floodgates for other big businesses with similar schemes , and once these areas are gone...they're gone!

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by buteo_buteo