RSPCA Campaign Against Badger Cull petition

[stripee]

Originally Posted by hunterswind

I would just love to get Bill Oddie and Simon King sweating without their backup. Dont you think it would be fun ? 2 country guys vs the top 2 BBC nature guys

You really don't like these 2 do you! But remember many people are working at indoor jobs or at school etc, and don't have to chance to see many of the animals on this TV programme, it doesn't matter that the animals are not "rare", they are just as valuable parts of UK wildlife, and although the format of Bill Oddie's programmes may be a little silly, they will introduce people to wildlife who may know nothing about it at all, or they are just to enjoy as entertainment. You are lucky to be working out of doors and seeing wildlife first hand. And if you have considerable knowledge, it will be good to see your posts and photos!

[hobble]

Perhaps you should go on mastermind.
Or write to the BBC with your CV and wildlife history/ knowledge.
Or write a book.................... The world is your oyster.

[hobble]

Originally Posted by hunterswind

I would just love to get Bill Oddie and Simon King sweating without their backup. Dont you think it would be fun ? 2 country guys vs the top 2 BBC nature guys

Sorry should have posted quote on last thread............

[hunterswind]

Simon Kings dad got him the job with BBC as he was a director at the time.

To be honest the film work is oeoeoeoe really oeoeoeoe well worse than oeoeoeoe but there you go they don't know wildlife.

People on here have access to loads better stuff. I would love to film Nuthatches !!!!!!!!

Did you know the film on Big cat diaries was made up and the star of the show filmed by Simon King was shot and killed by 1 of the vets 12 months ago but 3 weeks ago Simon was supposed to be there filming her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hunterswind]

Offer still stands myself and a friend vs Bill Oddie and a friend. Winner donates £20000.00 to the charity of their choice.

[hunterswind]

Been thinking the challenge will be Myself and Friend vs. Bill Oddie and friend on BBC 30 questions each topic British wildlife looser donates 20K to charity of winners choice. Come on Bill take up the challenge

[matt_xyz]

Originally Posted by hunterswind

Been thinking the challenge will be Myself and Friend vs. Bill Oddie and friend on BBC 30 questions each topic British wildlife looser donates 20K to charity of winners choice. Come on Bill take up the challenge

hunterswind, you've made this point at least 4 times throughout the thread. Can we now try to keep the thread to its original topic? Feel free to start another thread if there are any other TV presenters you'd like to challenge

Matt

[hunterswind]

Ok no problem. Badger cull great idea far to many due to protection

[galanthus]

Originally Posted by hunterswind

Ok no problem. Badger cull great idea far to many due to protection

yawn !!! You've made this point quite clear too methinks. Off to a more enteraining and sensible thread

[stripee]

Do continue to sign the petition, those who agree with it of course Or start a new thread to discuss anything not related to the petition, please.

[Taryn]

There is still no firm evidence that it will make much difference. Even the huge government commissioned trial concluded that "Badger culling can make no meaningful contribution to cattle TB control in Britain" and they had to kill almost 11,000 Badgers to find that out.
I can't understand why it's still even being discussed.

I have signed both petitions and I have passed it on to other concerned friends. I have also posted the links on some other message boards.

[Ukwildlifeo]

Originally Posted by hunterswind

I would just love to get Bill Oddie and Simon King sweating without their backup. Dont you think it would be fun ? 2 country guys vs the top 2 BBC nature guys

lol unless it involves questions about how to kill the various animlas in the countryside I think you and your 'friend' may loose....

back on the subject of the thread petition signed, since the science says the cull wont work, even if Badgers are a significant vector (most research shows this isnt the case). Better efforts to seperate the Badgers from the cattle and the feed is the answer

[trampas45]

i have just signed the petition.
if we are to cull Badgers due to btb then we must also cull birds as they can carry bird flu.
everything carries something that can harm something else, killing is not the answer. if the government spent as much on finding cures for illnesses as it does on finding better ways to kill things, then, i for one would be a much happier person.

[kiwi]

i've never seen a Badger but i still signed it why should we slaughter hundreds or so animals because of some probably unproven scientific evidence
(correct me if im wrong)
if a person has a cold we don't kill lots of people to stop it spreading

[Fritillary]

Kiwi
I think you explained everything in simple words :-)

I did it and I will pass the address to friends too.

[Springer5]

Do not take hunterswind seriously folks. This character is exactly what their name implies, a hunt-mad freak.
Notice that almost every post involves some sort of proposal for the need of gratuitous violence. Deer need to be controlled, Badgers are running riot and need to be thinned out. In fact every species of which there are more than about 20 individuals needs hunterswind and his cronies to satisfy their bloodlust on by 'contolling' or 'culling' (such nice polite words).

You cannot have a sensible conversation with people like hunterswind because they will only ever see what they want to see. In other words they will deliberately try to see things in whatever way allows them to justify their hypocritcal 'hobby' of recreational slaughter.
Yes, I use the word hypocritical because the irony is that hunterswind, with all his repetitive bluster about thinning out wherever there are "too many" of anything, actually belongs to the species of which there are more than almost any other on the planet. Hunterswind will sit amongst the millions of humans in the UK pontificating about how a few thousand of this, that or the other is too many. He is incapable of objectivity. If he were TRULY to follow his own line of argument, the first person he would 'thin-out' would be himself, in order to reduce the 60 million humans "running riot" in the UK

So, as I say, the most appropriate response for his sort is simply to ignore his comments as not even worth bothering with. Fortunately he is a dying breed. At best laughable, at worst evil. But either way just one of a sad, screwed-up minority who in the future will be looked back upon with embarrassment.

[Fritillary]

I quite agree Springer 5. The worst that we could do it is put real attention to his messages. This sort of people enjoy bother the others, don't discuss seriously a problem. I am quite happy to discuss with people that have opposite views of mine. However, if the interchange of ideas is intelligent, with reasons why they do it into their way. Attacking, making mockery of the other ideas, it is just loosing time stupidly.

[geordie graham]

Have just read that after a MAJOR cull of Badgers in Ireland,cases of TB in cattle have increased by 13%.Blows a great big hole in the argument somewhat.

Graham

[Springer5]

Originally Posted by geordie graham

Have just read that after a MAJOR cull of Badgers in Ireland,cases of TB in cattle have increased by 13%.Blows a great big hole in the argument somewhat.

Graham

Hi Geordie

That's a very interesting fact indeed. IT does, as you say, blow their whole argument wide open.

Did you read it online somewhere?

I'd be interested in having a look at it myself if you remember where you saw it.

[Blackpatch]

Welcome Springer5 & thanks for making me laugh. I certainly do not take any notice of Hunterswind or people like him who can only think about killing animals.

On a lighter note, have you all signed my petition yet?

[muldonach]

Originally Posted by geordie graham

Have just read that after a MAJOR cull of Badgers in Ireland,cases of TB in cattle have increased by 13%.Blows a great big hole in the argument somewhat.

Graham

HI geordie

I am on the other side of the argument but would appreciate a link or guidance to the article you mention.

Cheers
mac

[WithNature]

Thank you for informing me of the online petition details. I have signed, and I hope it makes a difference.

[Taryn]

This is the article I just read:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Irish badger culling 'is futile'

"Badgerwatch Ireland and the UK Badger Trust have reviewed documents relating to the systematic destruction of Badgers in the so-called Four Areas Project which operated in Cork, Monaghan, Donegal and Kilkenny from 1997 to 2002.

It claims the density of Badgers in Ireland is now only 10% of that in equivalent habitats in South West England; and yet, in 2006, Ireland slaughtered 9% more cattle with bovine TB than Great Britain - even though the Irish national herd is only 56% the size of Britain's.

"If you've eradicated virtually all your Badgers and you've still got twice the level of bovine TB in your national herd than you have in Britain, where we're not slaughtering our Badgers, then clearly Ireland has got it wrong," Trevor Lawson told the BBC News website."

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Springer5

Do not take hunterswind seriously folks. This character is exactly what their name implies, a hunt-mad freak.
Notice that almost every post involves some sort of proposal for the need of gratuitous violence. Deer need to be controlled, Badgers are running riot and need to be thinned out. In fact every species of which there are more than about 20 individuals needs hunterswind and his cronies to satisfy their bloodlust on by 'contolling' or 'culling' (such nice polite words).

You cannot have a sensible conversation with people like hunterswind because they will only ever see what they want to see. In other words they will deliberately try to see things in whatever way allows them to justify their hypocritcal 'hobby' of recreational slaughter.
Yes, I use the word hypocritical because the irony is that hunterswind, with all his repetitive bluster about thinning out wherever there are "too many" of anything, actually belongs to the species of which there are more than almost any other on the planet. Hunterswind will sit amongst the millions of humans in the UK pontificating about how a few thousand of this, that or the other is too many. He is incapable of objectivity. If he were TRULY to follow his own line of argument, the first person he would 'thin-out' would be himself, in order to reduce the 60 million humans "running riot" in the UK

So, as I say, the most appropriate response for his sort is simply to ignore his comments as not even worth bothering with. Fortunately he is a dying breed. At best laughable, at worst evil. But either way just one of a sad, screwed-up minority who in the future will be looked back upon with embarrassment.

isnt it slightly unfair and unneccesary - not to say cowardly -to personally attack someone who is banned/frozen and is therefore not able to defend himself ?

I dont agree with the Badger cull either but there are times when culling/killing call it what you want is necessary - foxes arround rare bird colonies, deer in woodlands etc - and it is better that this is done by skilled individuals who know what they are doing.

imo hunterswind is neither sad , screwed up or evil , he is just one of the many farmers in this country who fear btb and the effect it could have on their livelihoods .

If we are to stop the Badger culling programme going ahead then it is necessary to enter into a postive dialougue with these people and convince them of the facts - calling them names will not help.