Help Save Our Birds Of Prey

[Nicola Main]

I am sure you have all heard about the sad story of the Hen Harriers shot at Sandringham Estate. Our birds of prey need your help and if you'd like to show your support you can sign the pledge at the below link (you also get a free Birds of Prey booklet) or you can donate money towards it. Thanks for reading this x

The RSPB: Birds of prey

[naturelover]

hi have signed it.

[lazybyte]

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

[Cotham Marble]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

And that is a problem why ? Do you have any testable evidence that raptors are impacting on prey species numbers ? Or evidence that raptor numbers would not fall in direct response to a fall in prey species numbers allowing prey species numbers to climb again ?

CM

[Dan Salter]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

Dear oh dear...

Thats NATURE im afraid.

I too signed the Petition/ pledge

[richardkm]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

You wouldn't happen to belong to the organisation of rogues the "Songbird Survival Trust" would you?

Birds of prey DO NOT need managing.

Birds of prey ONLY take what they need to eat, they do not kill indiscriminately. If there is an easy target, then they will go for that. If you are foolish enough to site your bird table where it makes visiting birds an easy target, then blame yourself NOT the birds of prey!

Remember, if there was no predation, we would be absolutely overrun by songbirds and other prey species. Try looking up the Scottish vole plagues.

[cherrybee]

Have signed the pledge

[Nicola Main]

Thank everyone who has signed the pledge

[lazybyte]

Like Humans_the More We Are The More We Destroy

[Cotham Marble]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

Like Humans_the More We Are The More We Destroy

So your answer to my questions about evidence is No, then ?

CM

[christina]

Signed, sealed and delivered.

[Rob T]

Done......

I cant belive that some nature lovers (a very small percentage on this fine site) dont appreciate that alot of wildlife has to feed on other wildlife to survive.

Could it be suggested that the Robin numbers be managed because the insect population is impacted or the Fisheries commission should manage the Kingfisher because of its diet or the Forestry commission to take out any Woodpeckers seen damaging rare trees.

Nature is Nature. We all have our favourites but no one, has the right to survive over the other just because its more fluffy or a nicer colour.

Although some management is required to aid the wildlife ballance in our country on the whole nature tries to find its own ballance and I dont think Birds of Prey are upsetting the fine line yet.

Rob

[Lincs Yellowbelly]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

Cough.........nonsense.........cough

I love birds of prey and have signed

[Ukwildlifeo]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

now you wouldnt happen to be another wind up merchant from the hunting life forum would you?

[The Black Rabbit]

Originally Posted by Rob T

Done......

I cant belive that some nature lovers (a very small percentage on this fine site) dont appreciate that alot of wildlife has to feed on other wildlife to survive.

Could it be suggested that the Robin numbers be managed because the insect population is impacted or the Fisheries commission should manage the Kingfisher because of its diet or the Forestry commission to take out any Woodpeckers seen damaging rare trees.

Nature is Nature. We all have our favourites but no one, has the right to survive over the other just because its more fluffy or a nicer colour.

Although some management is required to aid the wildlife ballance in our country on the whole nature tries to find its own ballance and I dont think Birds of Prey are upsetting the fine line yet.

Rob

Well said Rob!

[Putnamsmif]

Hi, have just joined the forum. I live near Dersingham Bog where the Hen Harriers were shot, and am gutted to think that I could have seen these stunning birds as I regularly walk my dog there. I don't think it's sad, I think it's a disgrace that Sandringham Estate or Buckingham Palace or even the Queen herself as a supposed country lover, haven't given up the person responsible. Because I don't care what they or anybody says, they know damn well who did it. I'm afraid the Queen and the royal family have gone down in my estimation a long long way (mind you, they weren't very high in the first place it has to be said).

[buteo_buteo]

Signed the pledge a while ago and received my booklet, which is nice

Just because raptors aren't cute and fluffy doesn't mean they should be persecuted for doing what comes naturally to them

[austringer]

i see that there as been a few missunderstandings on this subject.but as you all may know. that raptors are the top of the food chain. and if a sparrow hawk see;s an easy option it will take it as they are opertunist birds anyway. some people seem to think that all birds of prey are allways on the wing.[NOTSO]. as actuley they are the most lazy birds on the planet .as once they have had they qurry [KILL]. they do nothing more but sit in a tree or what ever perching they prefere. enjoying they nice full crop. preening themselves. untill such time they need to feed again . and thats after they have [CAST]. but they will hunt more when they have young. so really there is no need to put a manedgmant on these birds as they all look after them selves. but what we do need to keep on doing is to protect and preserve.are great population of birds of prey for future genarstions to enjoy p.s. sorry for any mistakes as i am still trying to get us;t to my new computure

[austringer]

Originally Posted by austringer

i see that there as been a few missunderstandings on this subject.but as you all may know. that raptors are the top of the food chain. and if a sparrow hawk see;s an easy option it will take it as they are opertunist birds anyway. some people seem to think that all birds of prey are allways on the wing.[NOTSO]. as actuley they are the most lazy birds on the planet .as once they have had they qurry [KILL]. they do nothing more but sit in a tree or what ever perching they prefere. enjoying they nice full crop. preening themselves. untill such time they need to feed again . and thats after they have [CAST]. but they will hunt more when they have young. so really there is no need to put a manedgmant on these birds as they all look after them selves. but what we do need to keep on doing is to protect and preserve.are great population of birds of prey for future genarstions to enjoy p.s. sorry for any mistakes as i am still trying to get us;t to my new computure

i have sighned the form on the r.s.p.b.

[kml]

I have signed too.

[buteo_buteo]

Originally Posted by austringer

i see that there as been a few missunderstandings on this subject.but as you all may know. that raptors are the top of the food chain. and if a sparrow hawk see;s an easy option it will take it as they are opertunist birds anyway. some people seem to think that all birds of prey are allways on the wing.[NOTSO]. as actuley they are the most lazy birds on the planet .as once they have had they qurry [KILL]. they do nothing more but sit in a tree or what ever perching they prefere. enjoying they nice full crop. preening themselves. untill such time they need to feed again . and thats after they have [CAST]. but they will hunt more when they have young. so really there is no need to put a manedgmant on these birds as they all look after them selves. but what we do need to keep on doing is to protect and preserve.are great population of birds of prey for future genarstions to enjoy p.s. sorry for any mistakes as i am still trying to get us;t to my new computure

LOL! It's funny how some people imagine that bops are out flying and hunting all day reeking havoc on songbirds and lambs They spend about 95% of their time sitting on their bums (well you know what I mean!)

[paulchandler6]

The only thing that is needed to manage predators is the availability of a prey species. Low numbers of prey = low numbers of predators and vice versa. A balance is maintained, unless we interfere.

Paul

Have signed as well.

[hannahpanda]

signed

[yorky]

Originally Posted by lazybyte

birds of prey need to be managed more, the common garden birds eating at the bird lovers table, is the falcons dinner table, all your doing is gathering birds for the kill.

Oh deary me! As an aged countryman for all of my life, I've never yet seen a raptor kill purely for pleasure. In fact, there are very few animal in nature that will kill just for the sake of it (yes I know of the havoc that a Fox can wreak - I've suffered from it). Never the less, even that Fox has just as much right to inhabit this planet as anyone else - generally, it's only humans that kill purely for pleasure (though I beleive they call it sport).
With regard to the hen Harriers at Sandringham, has anyone else contacted Sandringham to express their disgust at what goes on on that estate?
I have, but so far there has been no response. As far as I'm concerned, their silence speaks volumes. They know who shot the Harriers, as I suspect do most of th epopulation of this Country.
It's a pity the birds can't fire back as the "quarry" does in Iraq, then maybe they wouldn't be out shooting at all.

[buteo_buteo]

Originally Posted by yorky

Oh deary me! As an aged countryman for all of my life, I've never yet seen a raptor kill purely for pleasure. In fact, there are very few animal in nature that will kill just for the sake of it (yes I know of the havoc that a Fox can wreak - I've suffered from it). Never the less, even that Fox has just as much right to inhabit this planet as anyone else - generally, it's only humans that kill purely for pleasure (though I beleive they call it sport).
With regard to the hen Harriers at Sandringham, has anyone else contacted Sandringham to express their disgust at what goes on on that estate?
I have, but so far there has been no response. As far as I'm concerned, their silence speaks volumes. They know who shot the Harriers, as I suspect do most of th epopulation of this Country.
It's a pity the birds can't fire back as the "quarry" does in Iraq, then maybe they wouldn't be out shooting at all.

Well said Yorky! I was waiting to see if the Queen would be sporting a hen harrier feather in her hat at her diamond wedding celebration, but she obviously thought it would distract from the occasion