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Old 31-08-2007, 11:29 AM
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the magazine being advertised on tv, aimed at children, which includes a real life insect in perspex in each copy.

I truely apologise if this thread is in wrong topic, or if it breaches any of rules (I have read them ), but whilst these 'bugs' are apparently bred in farms for this specific purpose, and are not endangered species, it offends me, as they are living creatures and it is not necessary.

I thought we were trying to get our children to respect life, and that the days of collecting living things for collections were dwindling out.

Any information or opinion would be appreciated.

(Mods - move me if I'm in the wrong place, delete me if this falls into the commercial rules bit, but please don't ban me.... is a genuine enquiry xxxx )
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Old 31-08-2007, 12:40 PM
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Hi shenanigans and welcome to WAB
I have the magazine and in the information guide that comes with the first edition, If i have read it correctly they are preserved in the plastic Resin when they die naturally. They do not kill them. Most species do not have a very long life span.
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Old 31-08-2007, 12:44 PM
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Get in touch with Buglife, they may not be aware of what is happening. Also write to the Editor of the magazine.

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Old 31-08-2007, 12:50 PM
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Hi shenanigans and welcome to WAB
I have the magazine and in the information guide that comes with the first edition, If i have read it correctly they are preserved in the plastic Resin when they die naturally. They do not kill them. Most species do not have a very long life span.
thank you for your reply. I'm not sure how I feel if they "die naturally", on the one hand - thats good, on the other hand they have still been farm raised. I think the advert shocked me cos I'd assummed collecting things like this was now a bit taboo in our society.

Will mull it over for a while I think.... but thank you for your time - is appreciated.
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Old 31-08-2007, 12:51 PM
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Get in touch with Buglife, they may not be aware of what is happening. Also write to the Editor of the magazine.

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Thank you ..... do I just google Buglife? will have a go xxx Ad been on again just now, and my 14 yr old daughter (a bug a phobic) has just expressed her distaste at it, so its not just me x
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Old 31-08-2007, 01:09 PM
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I was surprised at the advert. Are they bred and kept in captivity while someone waits for them to die.
It seems a tad immoral to me.
It's too tempting to speed up their demise to meet the magazine orders.
I'm sure it's not in the best taste, and of course, there's money involved.

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Old 31-08-2007, 01:17 PM
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I was surprised at the advert. Are they bred and kept in captivity while someone waits for them to die.
It seems a tad immoral to me.
It's too tempting to speed up their demise to meet the magazine orders.
I'm sure it's not in the best taste, and of course, there's money involved.

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Thank you... its not just me then! I have emailed buglife... and await their response. Interestingly the magazine is endorsed by the Natural History Museum!! Whilst I agree that educating and endearing insect life to kids is important, the inclusion of a real specimen seems unnecessary .... anatomically correct models would be just as good.
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Old 31-08-2007, 01:26 PM
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Thank you... its not just me then! I have emailed buglife... and await their response. Interestingly the magazine is endorsed by the Natural History Museum!! Whilst I agree that educating and endearing insect life to kids is important, the inclusion of a real specimen seems unnecessary .... anatomically correct models would be just as good.
I agree. I'm also not comfortable with the idea of this magazine giving away real specimens, whether they died naturally or not. It just seems unnecessary. It could also encourage kids to start their own collections of butterflies or other insects. I think they are far better ways of stimulating childrens' interest in wildlife.

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Old 31-08-2007, 01:30 PM
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Ofcom can be contacted online. They're responsible for what's broadcast on TV.
Home page | Ofcom

May be worth trying.

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Old 31-08-2007, 01:34 PM
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May be worth trying.

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Thanks Keith

LOL.... having lived my 37 yrs never officially complaining about anything, I have complained to OFCOM twice in the last 12 months (hangs head a little shamefully.... big brother related !!)... will see what buglife say, may get hubby to complain to OFCOM for me, as they're just going to think I like a good moan if I contact them again

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Old 31-08-2007, 01:46 PM
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Iwould say the rspca if the animal was cuaght in the wild or captive bred it still has rights size or species is not an issue animal crulty is how did they die natural causes or killed if killed how humaily no creature should suffer no matter if the repulse us
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Old 31-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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Let's really get into trouble then .............

They're bred in captivity, then gassed humanely, and the magazine PR states that they die naturally.
There's money involved, so no one's going to hang around waiting for a few creepie crawlies to expire.
Obviously, I've made that up, but I wonder how near to the truth I am ??

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Old 31-08-2007, 01:57 PM
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Even if they are bred in captivity.... I sort have a vision of tanks of them.... so who sticks their hand in to scoop out the naturally expired scorpions, from the tank of live ones then?

And... surely some of these insects must be territorial... and unless they are bred with their own little enclosure (which I just cannot see being the case) it must be cruel.

From what I can tell the parent company is from a spanish speaking country! Doesn't really narrow it down, but may explain the difference in thinking in terms of animal rights.

KT

p.s. Keith... you're naughty.. but good... go you!!
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Old 31-08-2007, 02:04 PM
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Somewhere else you could complain is your local Trading Standards. They deal with imports which these possibly are.
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Old 31-08-2007, 03:54 PM
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I saw this advert for the first time last night and to be honest I was almost shocked. I don't like the idea of anything being bred to be given away with a magazine, even if education is the intention. There are better ways of showing children the beauty of nature through books, wildlife programmes, DVDs and the internet so there really is no excuse for this IMHO.
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Old 31-08-2007, 04:14 PM
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I saw this advert for the first time last night and to be honest I was almost shocked. I don't like the idea of anything being bred to be given away with a magazine, even if education is the intention. There are better ways of showing children the beauty of nature through books, wildlife programmes, DVDs and the internet so there really is no excuse for this IMHO.
i was disgusted when i saw the add,there is no way they died of natural causes they were bread for that magazine,some idiot came up with the idea to make lots of £,well i think it should be taken off the shelves befor our kids think its ok to torture insects.
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Old 31-08-2007, 04:23 PM
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If everyone who objects and has it being sold locally complains to their local Trading Standards then something might get done quicker to see it taken off sale.

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Old 31-08-2007, 07:56 PM
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i think you sound about right in what you have said,if they want perfect specamins thats the only way without damage to them,i have said my piece about this book above this post.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:18 PM
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I too was appalled to discover this magazine.

I wrote to the magazine via their website link at enquiries@reallifebugs.co.uk to express my opinions of their publication.

In their reply they explained that the animals are farmed and:
Before encapsulation, they are hygienically euthanised (sic).

I have also written to express my disgust to:
The Natural History Museum - Contact and enquiries - Natural History Museum
The RSPCA - RSPCA || Latest
The WWF - WWF-UK: Contact us
The Advertising standards Authority - Complaints Step 1

I then wrote to WHSmiths asking them to withdraw this publication from their shelves and that I would be boycotting their shops until this action was taken.

Hopefully if enough people take some time to complain about this something can be done.
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Old 04-09-2007, 05:48 PM
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I would not have anything to do with this magazine.
If you want to stimulate interest in bugs and insects, this is not the way. I find the whole issue distasteful and immoral.
I shall be writing to the editors of the magazine.
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:33 PM
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I totally agree. When I saw this ad the other night I too was shocked - this is not the way to teach anyone how to respect and learn about insects. Well done to all who complain.

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Old 04-09-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: Who can I ask, or complain to about ...

Yes, people who complain continuously (twice a week ... ?) will tend to get ignored but people who protest on a particular topic to a range of 'authorities' will get taken seriously if they explain their case properly. Day-by-day postings of. 'I object to ... this...', will tend to be ignored but reasoned arguments on a regular basis (montly or weekly) will be heeded especially if they are addressed to the most pertinet (or "important") people in the organisation!
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.... having lived my 37 yrs never officially complaining about anything, I have complained to OFCOM twice in the last 12 months (hangs head a little shamefully.... big brother related !!)... will see what buglife say, may get hubby to complain to OFCOM for me, as they're just going to think I like a good moan if I contact them again

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Old 05-09-2007, 12:04 PM
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Hi shenanigans and welcome to WAB
I have the magazine and in the information guide that comes with the first edition, If i have read it correctly they are preserved in the plastic Resin when they die naturally. They do not kill them. Most species do not have a very long life span.
According to the reply I just received from them the insects are ' hygenically euthanised'.


Thank you for your points concerning the recent launch of the REAL-LIFE BUGS
& INSECTS partwork collection. We have received a small number of similar
enquiries (and complaints) and we trust that the following information will
answer both your specific questions and those that might arise from our
answers.

We can confirm that none of the insects in the series are endangered, none
were caught from the wild, and none are treated inhumanely. The fact that
they are bred, farmed and harvested for these purposes mean that the subtle
balance in their natural environment is unaffected in any way: the
combination of educational value, delight in nature and wildlife, and
respect for the natural environment that are implicit in the series are
values of which we are proud. Furthermore, the inclusion of insects in the
series is permitted by the International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild
Fauna and Flora (CITES). They are all farmed insects, bred specifically for
purposes such as these and others oe including nutritional, medicinal,
scientific and educational purposes oe in approved farms, under regulated
conditions, for generally-accepted commercial reasons. We have merely
adapted the technology and methodology for the purposes of this partwork.

The farms and the farming and harvesting methods employed in the production
were already well established before the development of this highly
educational series. Furthermore, all participating farms have obtained a
certification of Responsible Breeders. Under this certification, the farms
must satisfy criteria for appropriate habitat, reproduction, climate
control, foods and foodstuffs to engender humane breeding, farming and
harvesting. The collection has already satisfied the regulations on import
and export in force in the European Union.

The Natural History Museum endorses and supports the series and approve the
list of insects and their origins. The NHM places a high value on the
educational quality of the collection which further helps to illuminate and
protect the natural world oe as do we.

The species are encapsulated in a solid plastic resin block which guarantees
their perfect conservation. Before encapsulation, they are hygienically
euthanised in closed spaces to avoid any kind of suffering, then immersed in
alcohol to conserve their exact details. This process is what gives the
collection its unique educational and scientific appeal: collectors are able
to examine the creature up close, in detail, at no risk (whether actual or
imagined) and without affecting the biodiversity of any natural environment
anywhere in the world. Those insects that were poisonous are no longer
harmful: any venom is rendered harmless by the conservation process
described above. Furthermore, the insects cannot be removed from the Lucite
block: it is a solid block of resin not a box.

This series is already on sale in Spain and France and no incidence of
breakage or ill-effects have been reported in either country. Sales in other
countries are also under consideration.

We trust that this information provides the reassurance you need. If you
require any other information, please do feel free to contact us again.
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Old 05-09-2007, 12:19 PM
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what about the other issues in life that threaten and kill significantly more insects that even threaten the existance of species such as garden compost with peat in it, high pressure sodium lighting of rivers, tropical hardwood furniture, exotic plants taken from natural habitats for domestic gardens in the wrong country?

Ok these don't have obvious shiney resin encased dead insects attached to them but they are a far bigger and massively over-looked problem far more worthy of boycotts and protest letters than a magazine that even has the potential to do something good.
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Old 05-09-2007, 12:38 PM
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The species are encapsulated in a solid plastic resin block which guarantees
their perfect conservation.
That line made me chuckle, surely they mean "preservation"

Agree that this isnt the way to generate an interest in bugs etc.I find it slightly ludicrous that someones being paid to breed these insects just so they can be killed (whether humanely or not)and stuck in a lump of resin.

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