Hare Coursing and Lamping, Bull Crosses not Lurchers

[eeyore]

worst one ive been involved with was 5 or 6 years back when i got quite badly hurt by a staffie/pitbull type thing ( it was a lot more powerful and unpleasant than a basic staffie )

I heard a lady screaming that it was attacking 'her baby' so naturally i jumped in to break it up - 'fortunately' it transpired that the baby concerned was a king charles cavalier rather than an actual child - and after I booted it off the other dog it came at me and got me by the forearm (which fortunately i'd had the sense to wrap my jacket round). It got me on the floor and I couldnt get it off my arm though I could just about keep it away from my face - eventually (it was probably only a few minuites but it felt a lot longer) a police team got it off me though they had to use quite serious force including pepper.

Upshot was that the KCC lived though it needed emergency surgery and christ knows how many stitches - I had my arm in a cast for about 2 months (cracked radius and muscle damage), quite a lot of abbrasions and scratches on my stomach and chest from its claws, a cracked knuckle on my left hand from trying to punch it off me, and a certain amount of 'road rash' on my neck and back from fighting it on the ground, and the pitbull alike was destroyed... owner had legged it when the trouble started and was never traced.

If it had been an actual child or even a smaller adult who was the victim the potential consequences dont bear thinking about.

[Little Mele]

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: The horrific dogs bred to kill badgers

I think this link to the Express's report today says it all

[Gelert]

Unfortunately these dogs have such power, if they do attack the damage can be extensive. But they do also attract sensationalist headlines - 'horrific dogs' for example. We've rehomed a number of the badger dogs from Cumbria and they've been, without exception, steady reliable dogs as far as people, other dogs and even, on occasion, cats in the household are concerned!
The trouble is that the people who do awful things (attacks on horses being a terrible but not unfamiliar example) attract a lot of attention and the rest of us, who quietly mooch for a couple of rabbits for the pot, get caught up in all the adverse publicity.
I tend to spring to the defense of the bull crosses because they are victims of often distorted publicity and can be harder to home because of it.

[Little Mele]

Yes I agree, the headline is OTT.

How can anyone make a statement "horrific dogs" when they do not know the dogs?

It's what the owner makes the dog do which is horrific

[Brocakat]

Originally Posted by Little Mele

I agree. My dad bred greyhounds and any rabbits caught were essential for the pot. Being a miner and on strike, meant that it was either rabbit stew or starvation. And in those days, miners on strike were deprived of any social benefits.

A few years ago I had a Parson Jack Russell which was attacked by two powerful bull terriers. The owner, a woman, had let them off the lead and after they had attacked my terrier, she offered to pay for the vets fees but insisted her two dogs were fine with children, it was just other dogs that they killed. mmmm, like that made it alright !!

Not the Princess Royal, I hope

[Lindsay-c]

Its mindless idiots like this that help to turn public opinion against hunting


True statement. I was extremely against all forms of hunting until recently when I've been learning about it in in fish game and wildlife management subject on my course at college. I now understand why populations need to be controlled and I understand it is done best by professionals who follow the law and are decent enough to attempt a humane kill.

The problem is not hunting in general, or any breed of dog. No non-human animal is ever to blame. It is those humans, those poachers, who exploit their animals for their own pleasure/gain.

It also worries me that those kinds of people sometimes actually sell these animals for meat and they are more than likely not educated enough to gralloch and all that as well as check the animal for disease and parasites properly and so on.

I reckon the punishment for these activities should be much much harsher. Not that there's ever enough evidence anyway

[Gelert]

Originally Posted by Lindsay-c

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The problem is not hunting in general, or any breed of dog. No non-human animal is ever to blame. It is those humans, those poachers, who exploit their animals for their own pleasure/gain.

Could you clarify what you mean by exploiting animals for gain in this context?

[Lindsay-c]

I'm referring to how they use their dogs illegally and train and use them for their own gain (meat for blackmarket, general pleasure or other reasons) not considering what might happen to the dogs if they are caught or if they are hurt while attacking other animals. If a breed of dog has a bad name it is because of the people who have owned them giving them a bad name I say. Pitbulls being a good example as they are known to be lovely dogs but because some losers get there hands on them and train them to fight they are seen as devil dogs.

[Brocakat]

Originally Posted by Lindsay-c

If a breed of dog has a bad name it is because of the people who have owned them giving them a bad name I say.


Pitbulls being a good example as they are known to be lovely dogs but because some losers get there hands on them and train them to fight they are seen as devil dogs.

Quoting ( selectively) from Wikipedia:- " American Pit Bull Terrier. Originally
in the U.S. these dogs were used as catch dogs for Semi-Wild Cattle & Hogs, to hunt,to drive livestock and as family companions .

Terriers in general have a higher tendency towards dog-aggression.

Some Pitbulls tend to be dog-aggressive but are generaly not people- aggressive & with proper upbringing, socialisation and training, aggression can be curbed. "

So I agree with what you say - but with choice of breeds - I don'y see the point of choosing a bred that requires that much more Hard Work . to get dogs obedience , trust , love, etc