Hunting

[monkeypoo]

No I was just talking about people who see hunting as a sport. I'm not talking about keeping populations down in the likes of rabbits.

Just as politicians think that they know what's best for us but have ruined the country I think gamekeepers, farmers and the like have done a terrible job in looking out for the best interests of animals and wildlife. But they know best of course.

[meinchewster]

Eeyore, we all know how valiant a job you did for the sake of the GNB, as you mentioned this months ago in this very thread (senility?). As monkeypoo has said, since when has being a game keeper had anything to do with understanding wildlife or knowing the countryside. game keepers are merely self serving as with most other countryside experts like farmers.

Dont try and tell other people about the countryside like they have never lived in it, I am born and reaised in rural derbys and know plenty of game keepers. they know 2 things: pheasants and foxes, and farmers (of which I have 2 uncles who farm beef) know what they need to about livestock. Neither occupation deals with understanding any indepth knowledge of british wildlife, conservation or ecology.

We await another smug, conecending reply to go with your collection.

[monkeypoo]

I was out of line but in my head I'm not aiming what I said at everyone so if what I said doesn't apply to you then don't take it personally.

I have grown up with families of foxes living at the bottom of our back garden and my family and many others in the street enjoy feeding them and watching the vixen and her cubs basking in the sun. My next door neighbour is an old lady who lives alone and she made the mistake of letting her nephew come to stay with her. He's a spoilt little rich boy who's parents live in the countryside. Anyway, this weirdo enjoyed putting poison out to kill foxes and peoples cats and thought he was doing nothing wrong as "they are only animals" and because he lived in the countryside he knew more about wildlife etc. What he did was kill the old vixen who had only just had cubs and also killed at least one cat in the area by poisoning them. Now, I wanted to kill him and still do. The vixen must have been over 10 years old. Who stuck up for him? The wealthier people in the street who enjoy going fox hunting and other things they see as making them a superior class, despite living in a council house, who look down on others because they have more money and are so stupid and inbred/ignorant that they believe they are more intelligent thanks to their lifestyle and earnings.

My comments were aimed at them and people like them.

[Julie82]

Originally Posted by Fauna

Are you sure about that...never trod an a snail, wormed/deflead a pet, poured hot water over ants, swallowed a fly

Please if you are going to contribute to this thread keep it realistic. There are people who hunt for many reasons and in many ways. The vast majority that hunt (that i know), respect the quarry they are hunting. They are far from a danger to society.

Though, can the same be said for animal rights activists??

No, Yes, No, No.

Worming a pet isn't killing a mammal, capable of feeling and fear. It's a parasite designed to cause distress. Wildlife are none of these things.
That's what YOU know. Who made your opinion sacred above all others? You've been brought up that ripping an animal to pieces is acceptable. You think it's reasonable to move animals out to suit your requirements, I disagree.
Hey Ho.

Originally Posted by salukiwhippet

You say I'm a danger to society, but you're the one who wants to kill people who shoot animals some twisted logic there.

And my DVLA comment was supposed to suggest that if you have an urge to commit murder as strong as you claim, maybe you shouldn't be trusted with a deadly weapon in the form of a motor vehicle.

So you've never killed anything? So you have never cleaned a toilet? Taken antibiotics? Washed your hands? Eaten meat (and don't say it doesn't count if you don't kill it yourself, you're just as responsible!)?

James

That's right, I'm going to take a gun and kill everyone. How melodramatic.

I might at this stage point out that an animal is at a complete disadvantage against a person with a gun. So really me chasing you with a gun would give you a taste of how fearful an animal would be in the same position. Not that you care. So why should anyone care how you feel? Frankly if Bin Laden dropped a bomb on a foxhunt I wouldn't lose any sleep (aside for the poor dogs who know no better than what their braindead owners teach them). I disagree with your policies. I don't have it in me to kill an innocent. If I saw you hurt a living defensless creature though I wouldn't hesitate to resort to violence. You can fight back after all.

Originally Posted by eeyore

so you would enjoy seeing a human being being chased by a pack of hounds - because you dont agree with their ethics - hmm and you're worried about others being a threat to society

I don't agree with taking advantage no. But then I don't imagine you'd ever go in bare handed and alone to fight off a pack of wolves now.

Coward.

[Nick1986]

i see many many things wrong with this so- called sport.

firstly, countless numbers of foxes are obviously killed
secondly, horses and hounds and terriers are also killed in every hunt
thirdly, people who live in the country side can have their pets killed when the hunt 'illegally' goes thru their property. its time people moved on and stopped hiding behind their so called conservation effort. i hardly doubt thats how the fox sees it just as he is about to be ripped to shreds. sick people!!!

[salukiwhippet]

Julie - it was you who said (twice) that you wanted to kill hunters. Who's melodramatic?

Are you vegan? You seem to have missed out an answer to when I asked you that.

When I go out to shoot something, it doesn't know that I am there, or at least isn't aware that I'm a threat. If it is, it tends to leave the area.

And who made your opinion sacred to the point you can enforce it with threats? Your logic leaves much to be desired.

Meinchewster - a 'keeper who didn't have a deep passion and knowledge of wildlife couldn't do the job. Simple as that.

Nick - Foxes are still killed without mounted hunting. I'm in double figures this year and I've never been on a horse in my life.

If hunting stops altogether, ALL the hunts hounds, terriers, horses will be put down. Simple

I live in the countryside and I've never had an animal killed or even injured by the hunt.

What have you done for conservation in the last 6 months? Maybe we can compare notes?

James

[Fauna]

No, Yes, No, No.

Worming a pet isn't killing a mammal, capable of feeling and fear. It's a parasite designed to cause distress. Wildlife are none of these things.
That's what YOU know. Who made your opinion sacred above all others? You've been brought up that ripping an animal to pieces is acceptable. You think it's reasonable to move animals out to suit your requirements, I disagree.
Hey Ho.

Ahhh right, why didn't you say mammal, for i clearly thought you said animal.

Did i say in my post that i've been brought up to rip animals to pieces...mmmm let me think? no, i said people i know who hunt.

It's a parasite designed to cause distress.Wildlife are non of these things

Very rationale thinking...me thinks!!

[Nick1986]

well my overriding feeling is that hunting is WRONG and BARBARIC! Im sooo happy it has finished and been banned. and now the people who continuer to hunt illegally are therefore nothing but criminals

[monkeypoo]

Some of the arguments on here from pro hunting people are xexexexexexexe ridiculous. Go and buy a piece of art by Peaches Geldof you yuppie tossers.


A fox could have lived happily amongst people for it's whole life and brought joy to lives of people and not hurt anyone, only for some yuppie nonce to wipe it out and ignorantly claim to know everything about that animal.

[meinchewster]

Originally Posted by salukiwhippet

Julie - it was you who said (twice) that you wanted to kill hunters. Who's melodramatic?

Are you vegan? You seem to have missed out an answer to when I asked you that.

When I go out to shoot something, it doesn't know that I am there, or at least isn't aware that I'm a threat. If it is, it tends to leave the area.

And who made your opinion sacred to the point you can enforce it with threats? Your logic leaves much to be desired.

Meinchewster - a 'keeper who didn't have a deep passion and knowledge of wildlife couldn't do the job. Simple as that.

Nick - Foxes are still killed without mounted hunting. I'm in double figures this year and I've never been on a horse in my life.

If hunting stops altogether, ALL the hunts hounds, terriers, horses will be put down. Simple

I live in the countryside and I've never had an animal killed or even injured by the hunt.

What have you done for conservation in the last 6 months? Maybe we can compare notes?

James

So a deep passion and knowledge of wildlife extends to clearing rides in woodlands, erecting rearing pens, hand feeding, taming and then the final act, shooting. How very insightful and passionate. cmon, lets not over elaborate the role of a game keeper, it is nothing more than poultry keeping with the addition of letting your mates pay to come and shoot what you have reared.

I am not targeting game keepers exclusively, this has merely continued from a previous point that if british wildlife conservation relies so heavily on such practices as pheasant shoots, then in my humble opinon, it is time to call it a day.

The obvious difference between the contributors on this thread is that some enjoy wildlife for what it is and other enjoy it for what they can get out of it and if it doesnt offer sport, it is worth nothing.