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[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by posie

Oh dear, Oh dear Oh dear,... Why does anybody have to use arrows or any other ammunition to KILL unnecessarily.Some Human Beings are DESTRUCTIVE, that's all it is, destruction of a beautiful animal just for the sake of it. I thought elephants were protected, but obviously I'm wrong. I know I asked the question in the first place but I really did not know that elephants were being killed...

I pretty much agree with you, 'posie'. Unfortunately _all_ animals, protected, endangered or otherwise, are candidates for those that like killing!

I believe elephants are protected in some areas, but not in others. It's possible that in the above Youtube video that the animal was killed humanely by a high powered rifle during a routine cull.

Jim

[posie]

Thanks for telling me that Jim, at least it would be a quick death.

[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by posie

Thanks for telling me that Jim, at least it would be a quick death.

An arrow causes damage only along its path of travel. As a high velocity bullet passes through tissue it creates a super-sonic shock wave which travels far from the bullet's path. It's this shock wave that causes the main damage and quick death, not the path cut by the projectile.

A high velocity round, though only the diameter of a pencil, will leave a hole in earth that you can get your arm in, owing to the explosive effect of the shock wave.

Jim

[posie]

Yes, that makes sense.Another thing about killing that affects me is that people get JOY and pleasure from doing it. This makes me feel,,,insecure,,,that my fellow man could be like this..I suppose I am not a realist.

[Jim Ford]

If killing needs to be done, it needs to be done with sober regret.

Jim

[posie]

Yes I agree, if it really does 'need' to be done........Poe

[mrmack]

so, theres none in lancashire then ....mack

[freefeet]

Just to correct some obvious misinformation...

Bullets do not kill cleanly and humanely. They do impose a huge shock wave through tissue but in no way is that guaranteed to kill - quickly or even slowly. Many humans, who are much frailer than large game animals, are shot with bullets every day all over the planet and survive - as do many large game animals - although most survive and suffer with horrific disabilities from the said shock wave.

As to a bullet creating a hole the size of your arm i really do realise that Jim doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about when he says this. I have shot some serious guns in my life and not one bullet i have seen has created a hole the size of my arm - and i certainly don't have large arms.

As to elephants, they need to be culled to keep their numbers down just like lots of animals do. And yes, people do kill them with bows and arrows as well as guns.

[posie]

HeyHo, HeyHo, Yes,Yes, You're Right

[freefeet]

Originally Posted by loripo

Other materials have been used for stone tools, such as obsidian, which I understand is used for scalpels as it gives such a fine, strong edge. (Not sure if all materials used needed the property of conchoidal fracturing to give the sharp edges )

I just found this little discussion on obsidian scalpels...

What's the deal with Obsidian Scalpels?

Very interesting stuff. Points to note...

Extremely sharp, however, extremely fragile.
Only suggested for use by manufacturers on very soft tissues.
Not approved for use on humans by the medical authorities, doctors who are using them seem to be doing so without approval.