Lamping rabbits last week

[wizzo]

Sorry Coasty, but I must take issue with your 'statement' about 'North Yorkshire' beings God's country. Nice though it may be, everybody knows that God's country is Dorset. It's a fact! I appreciate that it was an honest mistake, and I forgive you! Wizzo

[mushroom fairy]

I'll probably get my head blown off here, but i believe ferreting and lam ping or working dogs to rabbits does not come under field sport as the are considered legally to be vermin. whilst hare coursing fox hunting ect are not legally justified as so, due possibly to the prolific breeding of wild rabbits they cause more extensive damage to crops and people property than the animal that come under "field sport" in their hunting. they are hunted more in a sporting manor IE individually hunted or giving a sporting chance to get away. IE hunting terms . where as rabbits are usually hunted in number IE lamping or ferreting.oe shot. i have hunted ,followed field sports and kept sporting dogs for the last 45 yrs have seen all aspects of the many kinds of hunting.also the indiscriminate killing of other species due to so called humane gassing ect.and gangrenous wounds from shooting ect. i love lamping and enjoy the sport having the land owners permission to ferret and lamp. i must say i love both sports but feel for the consumption of the rabbits ferreting is much better less bruising to the meat. even with a light mouthed lurcher you usually get some . all my catches are used none waisted and enjoyed by many including neighbours and friends. i feel sad that subjects on forums about hunting ect cause so much arguments, each to his own i practice if others do things i feel are wrong then i do not read or interest my self in that subject but steer clear. i have no right to cause arguments just because i believe your opinion is different to mine. each enjoy your beliefs just do not impose them on people. unless it is at your front door or in your home or actually hurting your people you love then .i do not force people to watch what i do, i never have if i have never deliberately hunted in front of people. i would not force people to watch or expect them to believe or be happy with what i do. but i also expect the same from those who do not wish to hunt , .towards me . .a little respect to each other makes the world go round a lot smoother .live and let live. i say. cheers all.

[Jason Green]

Originally Posted by wizzo

'Bushcraft and Fieldsports'.....Surely the clue is in the title of the forum. If you are against these kind of activities, wouldn't it have been better to have given this particular forum a 'swerve'?
No matter what your opinions on this subject, and you are entitled to those, you wont gain anything by expressing them on the WAB site. Regards Wizzo

Wizzo, I think the bit that encouraged a response is the moment 'XXX' or whatver said 'Lamping is where the real fun is '. I can't remember which WAB'er said it, but I always remember the line 'If it is genuinely needed, it should be viewed as a grim necessity', with emphasis on the word 'grim'.

With 'XXX' calling the process 'fun' then they are capitulating the view genuinely held by anti-hunters that this isn't done altruistically - and instead carried-out under the false pretense of 'helping' farmers. That said, I doubt any regular lampers we hear of on WAB would condone his actions and 'boast' as it gives them all a bad name.

'Kipper' has a genuine point; I wonder why it couldn't be that such people ask for additional ways to help? I have to agree posting such protestations on WAB is futile. Far better, time would be spent asking such farmers and lampers in person.

Using an American Bulldog? I've never heard of that, and to me sounds rather OTT.

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by Jason Green

Wizzo, I think the bit that encouraged a response is the moment 'XXX' or whatver said 'Lamping is where the real fun is '. I can't remember which WAB'er said it, but I always remember the line 'If it is genuinely needed, it should be viewed as a grim necessity', with emphasis on the word 'grim'.

With 'XXX' calling the process 'fun' then they are capitulating the view genuinely held by anti-hunters that this isn't done altruistically - and instead carried-out under the false pretense of 'helping' farmers. That said, I doubt any regular lampers we hear of on WAB would condone his actions and 'boast' as it gives them all a bad name.

'Kipper' has a genuine point; I wonder why it couldn't be that such people ask for additional ways to help? I have to agree posting such protestations on WAB is futile. Far better, time would be spent asking such farmers and lampers in person.

I'm not sure anyone could do a job consistently well if they looked upon their work as a 'grim necessity'! Would you do your job Jason (and that's what pest and predator control is to many people) to the best of your abilities if you didn't enjoy at least some aspects of it? I spent many years lamping foxes, rabbits and deer (under license), it might dismay you to know but I thoroughly enjoyed myself! If I hadn't enjoyed it I doubt I'd have been any good. The moment when the quarry actually dies is just a tiny, tiny fraction of the time one spends hunting. If all I enjoyed was the death of a defenceless creature I'd buy a rabbit from a pet shop and take a ball pein hammer to it, I wouldn't spend endless hours wandering around wind-blown fields at night!

'xxx' calls lamping fun because, by and large, those that participate enjoy themselves! Simply because anti-hunters have 'genuinely held' beliefs doesn't mean those beliefs are correct or informed. It's ridiculous to expect anyone to go about their job, or their pastime, with a grim attitude simply because a faction of society feels that if they don't then they're revelling in the death of a defenceless creature.

I'm not quite sure why you think Kipper has a genuine point either? Presumably the owners of WAB felt it desirable to have a fieldsports forum within the main forum. Why, therefore, do you feel that those who participate in this forum (and I rarely do) should be subjected to posts such as the one from Kipper or, indeed, yourself?

I've spent a lifetime considering the moralities of hunting and have come to the conclusions I have through practical experience. With the greatest respect, I don't need anyone to tell me how I should view what was a large part of my life, especially someone who - as far as I'm aware - has no practical knowledge of the subject whatsoever.

Cheers
Jonathan

[twopoke]

Originally Posted by C C

And if it was Lamb stew probably nothing would have been said.

I find i am always defending my,....say way of life. People call me an hypocrite, i spend so much time working on conservation projects, surveying wildlife etc, then i go and take Rabbits and such.

What is wrong with these people I don't go round screaming at them for doing all their shopping in Suppermarkets, so i wish they leave me alone when i shop in the Countryside

conservation is maintaining a healthy level so everything exists together... as it should in the wild
prey and preditors are part of this healthy existance! it causes more damage to the environment (carbon footprint blahblah blah) to get an apple from the supermarket than a rabbit from the field..... and anyone who would dissagree should work in the haulage industry doing te collections and delverys of these fruits as i have and see the prolific waste involved within fresh food industry

anyway back to the lamping......

i shoot the rabbit (.22 air rifle.....love it!) but would love to see it done the old way! even using ferrits.... a guy in the local where i used to live had a couple (never worked as such) but nice animal, would love to see them working!

[DOXHOPE]

Originally Posted by Mighty moomin

Did a wonderful pest control job for a few farmers last week using a traditional method of lamping no guns poisons or traps which is a good way of indiscriminately thinning out rabbit population.. With two collie lurchers It was a wet windy night perfect conditions for lamping and we ended the night with 58 healty rabbits which went to the game dealers and will now be in the food chain human or pet food..

How many other members take part in this wonderful feildsport what dogs do you run ? Or do you shoot?

I also like ferreting but lamping is where the real fun is

What do you do with all the rabbits?

[twopoke]

Originally Posted by DOXHOPE

What do you do with all the rabbits?

it says

It was a wet windy night perfect conditions for lamping and we ended the night with 58 healty rabbits which went to the game dealers and will now be in the food chain human or pet food

[DOXHOPE]

thanks for clearing that one up..
so focussed on the number, wow..didnt realise it was possible, you must have some cracking dogs..just another point..how can they be healthy if they are dead

[davecatt]

Welcome to the Bushcraft and Field sports forum DOXHOPE
You are obviously new to this so I'll explain,the rabbits where free from disease and healthy before being killed therefore fit for the food chain.
Dave

[DOXHOPE]

OH, cheers matie