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29-11-2007, 10:48 AM
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Turns out its NOT against there human rights. BBC NEWS | UK | Law Lords reject hunt challenge
guess there just have to keep doing it illegally for now... |
29-11-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ukwildlifeo  | you're not suggesting that hunts are flouting the law, are you  
I'm glad this has been settled here - but I see it'll now go to the European Court of Human Rights ..... the saga continues  |
29-11-2007, 12:01 PM
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I'm glad to hear that the appeal failed. Their best hope is for David Cameron to be elected one day. He is well connected to the Heythrop Hunt. |
29-11-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ukwildlifeo | Ok then. |
01-12-2007, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by stripee I'm glad to hear that the appeal failed. Their best hope is for David Cameron to be elected one day. He is well connected to the Heythrop Hunt. | Hmm, that doesn't surprise me. He just had 'that look' about him - but I don't say that in a nasty way particularly as many of the hunters, the riders that is, I used to talk to were quite a nice bunch of people (despite what they were doing of course). Pity about some of the foot followers and 'terrier men' though. Some of them were well nasty!! 
Er, I'm a member of Bath Green Party by the way, so while I think DC is quite a nice chap, I certainly don't share his politics, but I'm not getting into that at this point in time. |
02-12-2007, 08:40 AM
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Human rights *** *** *** that's my eloquent feelings on it! ( How do i get a hangover when i haven't touched a drop - all i did last night was sit infront of an open fire and play board games!!)
Lots of people get made redundant and err they get new jobs. It's unfortunate when it happens but in the end you just have to get on with it. There's plenty of jobs where a complete career change isn't necessary - abattoirs, butchers....!(only joking!) 
While all my friends vote Green or Labour I have some colleagues that vote for the dreaded torries but wont if they thing DC might bring back hunting - will have to mention it to them!
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02-12-2007, 10:03 AM
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There are jobs and there are ways of life that are core to your identity. This may be more the case for some roles in the counrtyside but isn't confined to them - there are many people who do what they do from a sense of vocation or as part of a cultural role transferred from generation to generation. You might disagree with what people do but there's no need to be insensitive, ignorant and insulting about it. |
02-12-2007, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Gelert There are jobs and there are ways of life that are core to your identity. This may be more the case for some roles in the counrtyside but isn't confined to them - there are many people who do what they do from a sense of vocation or as part of a cultural role transferred from generation to generation. You might disagree with what people do but there's no need to be insensitive, ignorant and insulting about it. | I did say I was joking! There was no malice in it, sorry if you took it that way but it really wasn't meant like that. Things have gone extremely pear shaped for me in the past but I've always found the best way of dealing with it is to maintain a healthy sense of humour. Not everyone's humour is the same there's lots of comedians out there that are just plain irritating but lots of people love them, so!
Sorry if i offended you - I really didn't intend any malice. I've been persecuted at work in the past and nearly lost my job because of my religious beliefs (the Tao; a devout Christian couldn't work with me as I refused to be converted) so i know how these remarks can hurt. It does seem insensitive now but it wasn't meant that way - sorry. I've also been made redundant for companies closing down - twice in a row within six months of each other. So, i've been there
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02-12-2007, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tufftie While all my friends vote Green or Labour I have some colleagues that vote for the dreaded torries but wont if they thing DC might bring back hunting - will have to mention it to them! | Yes, DC also has ridden with the Old Berks Hunt, run by his wife's stepfather, Lord Astor.
As for the "way of life" argument, the same could be said of anything that someone wants to carry on doing whether good or bad. |
02-12-2007, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tufftie I did say I was joking! There was no malice in it, sorry if you took it that way but it really wasn't meant like that. | Sorry tufftie that was very po-faced of me! Think I was just having one of those mornings or something - thanks for your gracious apology but let's face it I was being a bit of an a**e  |
02-12-2007, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tufftie | We have a few people like you who move onto Exmoor.
In a lot of upland areas in the South West, Wales, Northern England and Scotland it is not quite that simple to "just get another job".
I am pretty much a capitalist and a libertarian but you might not quite mean what you say. Sometimes a community is actually quite nice.
Didn't Tebbit say that something like that to the Miners ? |
02-12-2007, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tufftie I did say I was joking! There was no malice in it, sorry if you took it that way but it really wasn't meant like that. Things have gone extremely pear shaped for me in the past but I've always found the best way of dealing with it is to maintain a healthy sense of humour. Not everyone's humour is the same there's lots of comedians out there that are just plain irritating but lots of people love them, so!
Sorry if i offended you - I really didn't intend any malice. I've been persecuted at work in the past and nearly lost my job because of my religious beliefs (the Tao; a devout Christian couldn't work with me as I refused to be converted) so i know how these remarks can hurt. It does seem insensitive now but it wasn't meant that way - sorry. I've also been made redundant for companies closing down - twice in a row within six months of each other. So, i've been there | Fundamentalist are scary aren't they ? |
02-12-2007, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stripee Yes, DC also has ridden with the Old Berks Hunt, run by his wife's stepfather, Lord Astor.
As for the "way of life" argument, the same could be said of anything that someone wants to carry on doing whether good or bad. | Not really at all !
Although you may disagree with hunting, as is your right, there is a "good" to come out of it.
It has also been a legal activity for along time.
As has been admitted by many of the "banners" including Blair now, the ban was based purely on prejudice.
People can claim their "way of life" is kicking coloured people to death. But it has never actually been legal and their is no "good" to it.
People can claim their "way of life" is making hardcore child pornography. Again, there is no identifiable "good" to come out of it and as far as i know always illegal and condemned.
See the difference?
Also things that are actually "bad" have laws that attempt to prevent them that are actually enforceable.
The recent ruling in Exeter has just made the Hunting act 2004 completely obsolete.  |
03-12-2007, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Deerhunter We have a few people like you who move onto Exmoor.
In a lot of upland areas in the South West, Wales, Northern England and Scotland it is not quite that simple to "just get another job".
I am pretty much a capitalist and a libertarian but you might not quite mean what you say. Sometimes a community is actually quite nice.
Didn't Tebbit say that something like that to the Miners ? | You got the last bit wrong Tebbit actually said that the long term unemployed could get on their bikes and get another job. Nothing to do with the miners, that was another situation. Personally I've always voted Green, apart from the odd tactical vote to keep the torries out
I don't live on Exmoor - but my parents had friends there. I spent a long time in Cornwall and the situations there is worse than Exmoor as there are no big towns like Taunton etc nearby. There are even fewer jobs there believe me and they all have several part time jobs - not want they want to be doing but it pays the bills. They can't even afford their own houses there because of the holiday homes. As for here there it's hard to find anything unless you're a student or a retired person - they don't like to pay the national min round here! Like ti or not if you lose a job via redundancy or whatever reason - there is only one choice that's to get another one, unless you have enough put a way not to. I'm in the area I'm in now not because I want to be but it's where I can support myself -even if I don't like it or the job!
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03-12-2007, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Deerhunter Fundamentalist are scary aren't they ? | no but extremists are!
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03-12-2007, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gelert Sorry tufftie that was very po-faced of me! Think I was just having one of those mornings or something - thanks for your gracious apology but let's face it I was being a bit of an a**e | No, no, it was me you were quite right to have a pop! I'd got out of bed on the wrong side - had an argument on the squirrel one and shouldn't have come on this thread!
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03-12-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Deerhunter Not really at all !
Although you may disagree with hunting, as is your right, there is a "good" to come out of it.
It has also been a legal activity for along time.
As has been admitted by many of the "banners" including Blair now, the ban was based purely on prejudice.
People can claim their "way of life" is kicking coloured people to death. But it has never actually been legal and their is no "good" to it.
People can claim their "way of life" is making hardcore child pornography. Again, there is no identifiable "good" to come out of it and as far as i know always illegal and condemned.
See the difference?
Also things that are actually "bad" have laws that attempt to prevent them that are actually enforceable.
The recent ruling in Exeter has just made the Hunting act 2004 completely obsolete. | There is no logic behind your reasoning - because other things are wrong it doesn't mean what I do is. And to your penultimate comment - exactly why the anti hunting laws have been introduced! Could you tell me more about the last comment?
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03-12-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Deerhunter Not really at all !
Although you may disagree with hunting, as is your right, there is a "good" to come out of it.
It has also been a legal activity for along time.
As has been admitted by many of the "banners" including Blair now, the ban was based purely on prejudice.
People can claim their "way of life" is kicking coloured people to death. But it has never actually been legal and their is no "good" to it.
People can claim their "way of life" is making hardcore child pornography. Again, there is no identifiable "good" to come out of it and as far as i know always illegal and condemned.
See the difference?
Also things that are actually "bad" have laws that attempt to prevent them that are actually enforceable.
The recent ruling in Exeter has just made the Hunting act 2004 completely obsolete. | Weird logic. Hunting although previously legal had upset many people for a very long time. The Hunting Act 2004 is not yet obsolete. One swallow does not a summer make. It is still illegal. And as you say "a way of life" can be anything from making hardcore to hunting, you think it is a good thing to hunt, many others disagree, not from prejudice, but because they find it abhorrent. And I don't see any good, except for the fun you get out of it. There was a free vote in the Commons across party. Ann Widdicombe a traitor An overwhelming majority for a ban on hunting. Yes, it is a badly drafted law, but better than nothing - just. And needs tightening up. As for Blair, yuk! the ultimate hyprocrite on all counts. |
03-12-2007, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tufftie There is no logic behind your reasoning - because other things are wrong it doesn't mean what I do is. And to your penultimate comment - exactly why the anti hunting laws have been introduced! Could you tell me more about the last comment? | No problem.
The hunting act is unenforceable. That is why the only people trying to enforce it are a bunch of vigilantes bringing private prosecutions. |
03-12-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tufftie You got the last bit wrong Tebbit actually said that the long term unemployed could get on their bikes and get another job. Nothing to do with the miners, that was another situation. Personally I've always voted Green, apart from the odd tactical vote to keep the torries out
I don't live on Exmoor - but my parents had friends there. I spent a long time in Cornwall and the situations there is worse than Exmoor as there are no big towns like Taunton etc nearby. There are even fewer jobs there believe me and they all have several part time jobs - not want they want to be doing but it pays the bills. They can't even afford their own houses there because of the holiday homes. As for here there it's hard to find anything unless you're a student or a retired person - they don't like to pay the national min round here! Like ti or not if you lose a job via redundancy or whatever reason - there is only one choice that's to get another one, unless you have enough put a way not to. I'm in the area I'm in now not because I want to be but it's where I can support myself -even if I don't like it or the job! | I don't think you quite get it!
Its not a competition.
I don't think it would be a good thing if all permanent inhabitants left the areas I mentioned. |
03-12-2007, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stripee Weird logic. Hunting although previously legal had upset many people for a very long time. The Hunting Act 2004 is not yet obsolete. One swallow does not a summer make. It is still illegal. And as you say "a way of life" can be anything from making hardcore to hunting, you think it is a good thing to hunt, many others disagree, not from prejudice, but because they find it abhorrent. And I don't see any good, except for the fun you get out of it. There was a free vote in the Commons across party. Ann Widdicombe a traitor An overwhelming majority for a ban on hunting. Yes, it is a badly drafted law, but better than nothing - just. And needs tightening up. As for Blair, yuk! the ultimate hyprocrite on all counts. | Can you explain to me exactly why it is better than nothing?
And why Tony Wright was cleared?
Do you think it will be tightened up, and if so how would you change the wording?
And how would you organise its enforcement? | |
