Fox Hunting

[Washy75]

I've seen a fox getting slaughtered by some hounds in Haweswater, Cumbria earlier this year. Not big or clever (despite what many of the sycohphantic bystanders seemed to think). Silly old me reported it to the police in great detail. They did nothing and I wasted my time running after a complaint that was never going to be taken seriously. Still I did what I believed to be right .
The scene I witnessed as at least four hounds were ripping and under-weight fox apart was horrific. Next time I may just go and kick a few of the hounds and perhaps a few of their owners too! The Cumbrian police would no doubt do something about that.

[bunnylover]

Ahh that would sort things out you inflict pain on animals yet dissaprove of animals inflicting pain?????
I tell you you kicked any of my dogs or any i seen you kicking and you d kick nothing again FACT.
An effeminate land with effeminate ideas.

"A great nation cannot be destroyed from without until it first destroys itself from within."

[Washy75]

Ok yes I agree, I like dogs too. Maybe I'd spare the ones that were just watching and not ripping the poor fox's face apart. The owners wouldn't be spared though as, would you not agree, that they can't possibly be animal lovers?

[bunnylover]

Originally Posted by Washy75

Ok yes I agree, I like dogs too. Maybe I'd spare the ones that were just watching and not ripping the poor fox's face apart. The owners wouldn't be spared though as, would you not agree, that they can't possibly be animal lovers?

such a nonsensical notion,Washy stay off the weed Think ill think for you by following that wierd line of thought,are foxes animal lovers then??This is the problem we have in this country when people don t think just emotion emotion emotion

[demicav]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

such a nonsensical notion,Washy stay off the weed Think ill think for you by following that wierd line of thought,are foxes animal lovers then??This is the problem we have in this country when people don t think just emotion emotion emotion

How can Foxes be animal lovers ? They are animals that kill to survive NOT FOR FUN. There is a huge difference.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

This is the problem we have in this country when people don t think just emotion emotion emotion

Indeed - such as the emotion of enjoyment that the fox hunters get from their activity, and the nostalgic refference to it as part of our "heritage".

I have no problem with fox control where it is necessary , but I do not accept that the hunt is about control (indeed some hunts claim that they conserve and increase fox numbers - they cant have it both ways).

so here is a clear case of emotional attachment to a pursuit which is both unecessary, ineffective, and cruel overriding rational thought.

[bunnylover]

So go through cultures and traditions worldwide and you ll find hunting entwined in the fabric of most if not all and guess what they enjoy it.This is the thing that gets me you ve people not disagreeing so much with the fox being killed but with people enjoying the hunt.As iv e said before you ll not get people hunting if its enjoyable and not entwined deep in the fabric of our nature and that of the dogs we use.
Youll not alter or restrain that and only a brainwashed easy living almost blind surgical existence will change peoples minds.You strip us all back to the bare fabric and we re hunters and we like it,like it or not.

[Washy75]

It seems that my "nonsensical" views are shared by others too then. Am I to believe that you (who obviously takes him/herself very seriously) want to be taken seriously when you ask someone who holds an opinion about fox hunting to "stay off the weed"?

Ever heard of progress? If it wasn't for progress we'd all still be hunter gatherers wouldn't we (and before you say it I wouldn't class anyone as a "hunter" when they don't actually eat what they hunt but just let it get eaten by their pets in a slighly unfair "fight")?

I don't have a problem with people "enjoying" anything. People take drugs (as you're aware) and very often only hurt themselves rather than others but they do it because they enjoy it (at least at the beginning). Why do you take pleasure from fox hunting? What's in it for you? The suffering of the fox?

Go on then, educate me.

[demicav]

I rather like the idea of going back to old times where we all have to hunt to survive and I think that hunting continues because of our hunting past, of being hunter gatherers if you like. In times gone by though people had to hunt and gather food or starve, I don't think it was done so much for fun in those days, it was a natural part of everyday life. Today people and society in general have quite defined ideas on the rights and wrongs of animal welfare. There are now also laws governing animal welfare. Certain individuals have been jailed for inflicting immense pain or suffering on animals, many of them so called family pets. There's no doubt that sadism plays a big part, the word after all means "getting pleasure from hurting". I personally don't see the difference between a dog that's been bludgeoned to death or a Fox that's been ripped to bits. They are both living creatures. Thankfully the law, the police, the RSPCA, the NSPCC, Barnardos and many other countless organizations agree and it's now been officially recognized that hurting people and hurting animals are linked (from a psychology point of view).

[bunnylover]

Thing is i know of no one who hunts in order to hurt animals,same as shooting who shoots to hurt stuff or fishing who fishes to hurt fish??The pleasure is in the hunt and all good hunters will ensure the quick kill of all caught,not all fieldssports people are sadists.
For Washy i like the working of the dog as do all hunters,to see a dog do what it has been bred to do for years is something else,i don t like killing anything the only fox i kill are on ground where i have specific order to kill them or where hares are present.I have killed about 10 fox in the last 3 seasons all others are released unharmed.If you want to know how,then look into it and maybe all the fairy tail notions of people who hunt being sadists and mindless bloodthirsty thugs will be challenged.Oh and the "torn to bits"thing might be challenged too