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02-02-2012, 01:21 PM
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| | | Help with Bird Identification
I thought this was a finch at first, but the beak is the wrong shape. Can someone identify it for me please? Location was Budleigh Salterton sea front, East Devon, this morning.  |
02-02-2012, 01:25 PM
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It's a stonechat, nice picture.
Cheers. Nik.
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02-02-2012, 01:32 PM
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Excellent picture of a male Stonechat.
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02-02-2012, 01:38 PM
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agreed a nice male Stonechat Saxicola torquatus
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02-02-2012, 01:50 PM
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Thanks Nik - I know what they sound like & now I know what they look like! |
02-02-2012, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferret  agreed a nice male Stonechat Saxicola torquatus | African Stonechat?   
European Stonechat is now Saxicola rubicola, after the species was split.
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02-02-2012, 06:24 PM
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1st winter bird too, im finding very few older birds this winter. Last winter had a huge impact on them locally. Already a few birds appearing to be colonising new areas for this years breeding season, so hopefully a recovery will occur. Nice photo.  |
02-02-2012, 09:23 PM
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Yes Roy now you mention it I was aware of that change, but the reference I used, Collins Bird Guide 2nd addition, has it as Saxicola torquatus as do the RSPB and the BTO so I think I might be forgiven that lapse in memory. 
The BOU, BBRC and Wikipedia are ‘up-to-date’ with Saxicola rubicola so it seems there is some confusion, disagreement or lack of website management.
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03-02-2012, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferret Saxicola torquatus as do the RSPB ... Wikipedia are ‘up-to-date’ with Saxicola rubicola | Lesson learnt - never trust the RSPB, always trust Wikipedia 
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03-02-2012, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferret The BOU, BBRC and Wikipedia are ‘up-to-date’ with Saxicola rubicola so it seems there is some confusion, disagreement or lack of website management. | It always takes a while for books/websites etc. to catch up with changes in nomenclature and taxonomy - and there are sometimes disagreements (eg. the new Collins guide still treats Lesser Redpoll as a subspecies of Common Redpoll, even though the BOU accepted this split at around the time that the first edition was published!
Personally I think that it would make sense if the old species name was used for any of the 'new' species when a species was split (the currently accepted naming rules can easily cause confusion).
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